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Old 01-17-2013, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I did answer your question. Posted the text of the agreement in the other thread.
So that agreement shows up where in the CBA? Is it in Section 1 a? 1.b? 1.c? Where exactly? Is it a part of the CBA or is it a separate agreement?
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
So that agreement shows up where in the CBA? Is it in Section 1 a? 1.b? 1.c? Where exactly? Is it a part of the CBA or is it a separate agreement?
It is a Separate Agreement. I think there is a link to the original document in our ALPA forum too.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:22 PM
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T.W. during a road show told me to my face about the "vault" letter. Apparently signed from the director of flight ops from Delta. He said it couldn't be published because of the uproar it may cause.
Funny, I don't think Tom has a degree, like so many of his pilots.

Convenient he now qualifies for a job at DL after passing up the flow a few years ago.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by paxhauler85
Funny, I don't think Tom has a degree, like so many of his pilots.

Convenient he now qualifies for a job at DL after passing up the flow a few years ago.
You're right. He doesn't have a degree, he has 2 degrees. U of M grad.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
It is a Separate Agreement. I think there is a link to the original document in our ALPA forum too.
IOW, what you are telling me is that it's not in Section 1 of the Pinnacle CBA.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
IOW, what you are telling me is that it's not in Section 1 of the Pinnacle CBA.
Correct.

Like some of the Delta JV language. It is scope. It is not in Section 1.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dashdriver22
T.W. during a road show told me to my face about the "vault" letter. Apparently signed from the director of flight ops from Delta. He said it couldn't be published because of the uproar it may cause.
So the MEC negotiates something and then they can't publish it because it might cause an uproar. Shirley you can't be serious.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
Bar, the paycuts were coming regardless or they were shutting the doors. There backs were pretty much up against the wall. It was a crap sandwich and they took the best they could do. For you to suggest that they sold out in order to get growth or a bridge is complete nonsense on your part. Thats the only point I was trying to make.
Does that not sound weird to you? Is one really to believe that the company's financial viability and ability to operate is solely dependant on pilot labor concessions, otherwise shutdown? Somethin is seriously screwy with that picture, and it isn't pilot pay. And a 7 year agreement? Assuming 9E makes it and does well in the future, how much you want to bet that management will line up their pockets with pay increases and bonuses, while pilots continue to serve all 7 years under this agrement. I refuse to believe that a company's business model can depend solely on "making it" through pilot wage cuts.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Does that not sound weird to you? Is one really to believe that the company's financial viability and ability to operate is solely dependant on pilot labor concessions, otherwise shutdown? Somethin is seriously screwy with that picture, and it isn't pilot pay. And a 7 year agreement? Assuming 9E makes it and does well in the future, how much you want to bet that management will line up their pockets with pay increases and bonuses, while pilots continue to serve all 7 years under this agrement. I refuse to believe that a company's business model can depend solely on "making it" through pilot wage cuts.
I don't see how Pinnacle will get anyone to work there after concessions when American Eagle can't get anyone in the door with a $5000 signing bonus.

Without that gift of a flowup to Delta it would eventually have to give raises, but they're likely betting newhires will suck up the pay for a chance at Delta years down the road. The regional model lives on.
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I don't see how Pinnacle will get anyone to work there after concessions when American Eagle can't get anyone in the door with a $5000 signing bonus.

Without that gift of a flowup to Delta it would eventually have to give raises, but they're likely betting newhires will suck up the pay for a chance at Delta years down the road. The regional model lives on.
60+% of the their list won't be around regardless by late 2015. There won't be any hiring at 9E for a long time.
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