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Old 01-17-2013, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Still missing the point. DL mins haven't changed. The "vault letter" (if it states what is purported via PCL insiders) exempts a portion of those minimums while there are 15,000 other people vying for the job.
1. If DAL changes the hiring criteria then none of this matters.

2. If DAL does not change published hiring criteria and the "vault letter" is a hoax, then none of this matters.

If DAL does not change published hiring criteria and the "vault letter" does exist, then a couple of options:

3. If they hire with a different degree criterion, DAL pilots who notice will be peeved.

4. If they do not hire with a reduced degree criterion, the vault letter becomes a bait-and-switch perpetrated against non-degreed pilots to "buy" their votes to approve of the amended agreement. Checkmate DAL management.

Ugly, but this is a fairly effective (albeit ruthless) group of managers as it relates to DCI flying.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:39 AM
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What the hell is a "vault letter" ? Why is it named that?

I publish my sources. Someone publish this letter, or else I say it does not exist.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I'm not. The bridge agreement holds 9E pilots to published DL qualification minimums. The letter exempts them from that.

If they move DL qualification minimums to what this letter is, then it is fine. A contract is a contract, as they say.
So where this so called valut letter? Just curious who started the myth and whether or not it's credible. Seems like it's just conspiracy theory for now.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:52 AM
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So where this so called valut letter? Just curious who started the myth and whether or not it's credible. Seems like it's just conspiracy theory for now.
Senior Pinnacle guys without a degree that are hoping would be my guess. I could see a few of those guys down in MEM starting this up either a) just rile people up b) to get people to vote "yes" that otherwise wouldn't or c) put a bee in someone's ear to make it actually happen so they don't get stuck.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:52 AM
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So where this so called valut letter? Just curious who started the myth and whether or not it's credible. Seems like it's just conspiracy theory for now.

T.W. during a road show told me to my face about the "vault" letter. Apparently signed from the director of flight ops from Delta. He said it couldn't be published because of the uproar it may cause.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:00 AM
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Imapilot,

I understand what your saying about those that get a break when you didnt thats fair. However to compare us to the Gulfstream image is not. There was a small percentage that was hired maybe 10% not sure exactly but certainly not the majority. That being said, everyone I have flown with from Gulfstream was a good pilot. You see there you go generalizing again!
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by dashdriver22
T.W. during a road show told me to my face about the "vault" letter. Apparently signed from the director of flight ops from Delta. He said it couldn't be published because of the uproar it may cause.
How operative is a secret agreement?

Do you trust T.W. ? I do not.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
How operative is a secret agreement?

Do you trust T.W. ? I do not.
I always trusted TW and think he is a stand up guy. I still say the vault letter is just conspiracy theory. I'm sure we will find out soon enough now that the cat is out of the bag.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
I always trusted TW and think he is a stand up guy. I still say the vault letter is just conspiracy theory. I'm sure we will find out soon enough now that the cat is out of the bag.
If he is such a stand up guy, why did he make an end run around the Delta MEC? Why did he screw the other DCI pilots? After all, they supported him. Here is a photo of the ASA MEC Chair walking Wychor's line.



The ASA pilots supported Pinnacle.

Wonder how he feels about that now ?

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How operative is a secret agreement?

Do you trust T.W. ? I do not.
No I do not trust him at all. He's the perfect politician and tells you what you want to hear. The "vault" letter does not effect me at all, or for that matter niether does the SSP bridge aggreement. I believe the letter exisits but I have not personally seen it, just told about it.
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