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Old 01-16-2013, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Look, be honest, hiring everywhere has been partly experience, partly grooming, and partly who one knows. When it was called the Comair Aviation Academy, getting a CFI there and moving on to Comair put folks on a shorter list than those who had not. I'm not defending this alleged hush-hush, double secret probation letter. I'm just saying don't be so naive.
I'm not. The bridge agreement holds 9E pilots to published DL qualification minimums. The letter exempts them from that.

If they move DL qualification minimums to what this letter is, then it is fine. A contract is a contract, as they say.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Fr8tdog
My point is the military guys and 4 yr degree guys are the ones that caused those incidents and accidents. You had better read up on the Fred ex accidents and see who was flying those birds. My point is, that regardless of your background no one is immune to an accident!
Fr8, You need to "re-read" up on the "Fred ex" accidents. I know, for a fact, that you're wrong on one of your claims.
He was a classmate of mine.
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Minimum qualifications at all airlines are a dynamic thing: when pilots are plentiful, mins are high; when pilots are rare, mins are low. There have been times prior to your going to PinnaColAbba, it took an ATP to sit right seat on a 1900.
Pinnacle was hiring guys without an interview as recently as 2011 through a university bridge program. Conceivably those individuals first interview experience could be a Delta interview.
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
Pinnacle was hiring guys without an interview as recently as 2011 through a university bridge program. Conceivably those individuals first interview experience could be a Delta interview.
But at least they have a "Degree", right?

Back in the day, not a lot of guys had them, I flew with many Capts. who were hired by Delta or North East, who were hired at age 18-21 in the 1950's 1960's, who had been flying only crop dusters. Single Engine Piston. No ME time at all.

In my Delta new hire class (1985) the highest time guy in the class only had 5,200 tt, a mix of 800 Mil and 4,400 Civ. The next two highest had about 4,500 and 3,500, they were 100% Civ. There were a couple Fighter guys who only had 1,200 tt.

BUT...we all started in the back seat of a 727, which is a very low risk seat. Now everyone starts in a flying possition, and with the RJ pipline, they have years of glass flying experience in the 121 environment. Degree or no, I think they can handle it...and if they can't, I'm sure that's been documented and will come out eventually. I recall there were a few guys hired recently who couldn't get through DC9 school, because they had never flow steam guages. I wonder what their Degree was in??

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Old 01-17-2013, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBojangles
Thanks for bringing this up. I think it's ridiculous that these guys shouldn't have to meet the requirements of everyone else. I hope that this isn't true. I've pretty much lost all faith in ALPA if it is.
What does ALPA have to do with the companies hiring standards?
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Old 01-17-2013, 05:12 AM
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So all military and civilians off the street must have a degree except the Pinnacle Gulfstreamers......... Lets call a duck a duck....If I had to have a degree to get the call then god damn it everyone else better too. It just one more thing that ****es guys off. So there it is. Is it wrong to be ****ed when others don't have to meet the same criteria as you? No but as grandpa says" That's the way the mop flops" Most of us already see others put ahead of us for being anything other than white or male, this is just one more way to lower the bar for others. A benefit that we didn't get. So just because this is the way of things doesn't mean it still doesn't tic people off.
BTW many foreigners went through that shat hole down in FL, they would have been blocked from an interview without the degree, now they get the interview and have the magic box check, not white. There ya go
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Old 01-17-2013, 05:21 AM
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Things I learned in college:

Quarters are like gold.

Flip-flops become as important as soap, and shampoo.

Asleep by 2:30 AM is an early night.

New additions to the food groups: Mountain Dew, Doritos, Ben & Jerry's, Ho-Hos and Oreos.

Make sure your alarm clock has back-up batteries.

Duct tape heals all wounds.

Showers become less important.

Sleep becomes more important.

10 minutes is more than enough time to get ready for your first class.

Going to the mailbox was never an ego-booster (or ego-breaker) before.

You begin to nap again.

The book your professor wrote is always required for his class.

E-mail becomes your second language.

Frat parties are exactly like they are in the movies.

Ten-page papers used to sound impossible, now they're a Godsend.

You never realized so many people are smarter than you.

You never realized so many people are dumber than you.

Professors are like celebrities: you see them, but they never see you.

Bum rides, money, notes and snacks as much as you can get them.

Don't burn bridges, especially if he's good in Biology.

Plain pasta never constituted a complete meal before.

The health service attendants are there because they couldn't make it in a real hospital, never ever forget that.

Forget putting the toilet seat down, you just pray that they flush.

Frisbee becomes a contact sport.

Care packages rank up there with birthdays.

College girls are the same as high school girls - just with more freedom, and no curfew.

Pop a vitamin and breakfast is covered.

Learn to love your roommate, especially when he leaves you the room.

You always thought that worshipping the porcelain god was just an expression, but it's not.

Printers only break down when you desperately need them.

Even though the beds are long, they are also extra narrow.

Things that were a huge deal in high school are now commonplace.

You never thought you would share so much about yourself with people you have known for such a short time.

Computer games go in and out faster than the latest fashions.

Any game can be made into a drinking game.

Disney movies are more than just classics.

Find one thing you like in the dining hall and go with it.

You will hear more stupid nicknames than you ever thought possible.

Phone calls almost never happen and when they do, you just don't get the messages.

Cereal makes a meal any time of day.

Keep your high school term papers; nowadays, everything is recycled.

ATMs are the devil's advocate.

Beware the boy in the Care Bear toga.

You almost forget how to drive.

You'll drink anything if it's free.

People still cheat; it's just more technologically advanced.

You get really good with excuses for skipping class.

Hope this prepares me to be a Delta pilot!!!
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Old 01-17-2013, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I'm not. The bridge agreement holds 9E pilots to published DL qualification minimums. The letter exempts them from that.

If they move DL qualification minimums to what this letter is, then it is fine. A contract is a contract, as they say.
What specific DL qualifications are listed in the Bridge Agreement? Isn't it up to DL to establish their qualification minimums? Can't DL change them at will?
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
But at least they have a "Degree", right?

Back in the day, not a lot of guys had them, I flew with many Capts. who were hired by Delta or North East, who were hired at age 18-21 in the 1950's 1960's, who had been flying only crop dusters. Single Engine Piston. No ME time at all.

In my Delta new hire class (1985) the highest time guy in the class only had 5,200 tt, a mix of 800 Mil and 4,400 Civ. The next two highest had about 4,500 and 3,500, they were 100% Civ. There were a couple Fighter guys who only had 1,200 tt.

BUT...we all started in the back seat of a 727, which is a very low risk seat. Now everyone starts in a flying possition, and with the RJ pipline, they have years of glass flying experience in the 121 environment. Degree or no, I think they can handle it...and if they can't, I'm sure that's been documented and will come out eventually. I recall there were a few guys hired recently who couldn't get through DC9 school, because they had never flow steam guages. I wonder what their Degree was in??
I thought the FE did all the work and the FO had the cushy job? Weren't the FO calls supposed to be; pitot heat, window heat, whats to eat?
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
What specific DL qualifications are listed in the Bridge Agreement? Isn't it up to DL to establish their qualification minimums? Can't DL change them at will?
Now you know about the Bridge Agreement?

Are you just making me chase my tail?
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