GED = Good Enough for Delta
01-16-2013, 09:31 PM
#161
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Just curious how have military pilots got on with delta and not meeting the hourly requirements? Isn't 1500 TT with 1000 PIC turbine? It takes a career for some in the military to log that many hours.
So if that's true ( and I could be wrong) then how did that happen? Are they special?
So if that's true ( and I could be wrong) then how did that happen? Are they special?
01-16-2013, 09:52 PM
#162
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Just curious how have military pilots got on with delta and not meeting the hourly requirements? Isn't 1500 TT with 1000 PIC turbine? It takes a career for some in the military to log that many hours.
So if that's true ( and I could be wrong) then how did that happen? Are they special?
So if that's true ( and I could be wrong) then how did that happen? Are they special?
01-16-2013, 10:29 PM
#163
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You dont sound confident!
I can understand why others are upset if the MEC's are doing back alley agreements but when others base their opinion not about a Pilots professionalism, flying ability and experience but solely on if he has a Degree or not is way off the range.
Even if (which I dont believe) every Military hired at Delta had the magic 1500/1000 those times were never competitive versus a guy with 11,000TT 9000PIC JET 121. So when we talk about standard min qualifications thats not what they hire at. Lets say you have a pilot with said degree(non military) and had those mins and got his 1000PIC turbine in a King Air/ Pilatus. There is no way he would be looked at even though he meets the min but your pilot group is majority ex military right?
Contradiction either way you look at it!
I can understand why others are upset if the MEC's are doing back alley agreements but when others base their opinion not about a Pilots professionalism, flying ability and experience but solely on if he has a Degree or not is way off the range.
Even if (which I dont believe) every Military hired at Delta had the magic 1500/1000 those times were never competitive versus a guy with 11,000TT 9000PIC JET 121. So when we talk about standard min qualifications thats not what they hire at. Lets say you have a pilot with said degree(non military) and had those mins and got his 1000PIC turbine in a King Air/ Pilatus. There is no way he would be looked at even though he meets the min but your pilot group is majority ex military right?
Contradiction either way you look at it!
01-16-2013, 10:35 PM
#164
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So you're telling me that a civilian guy with 1500 hours is the same as a military guy with 1500 hours? You said it yourself that 1500 hours is about a full career military guy (fighter side at least). That's enough for years as pilot in command.
Let that bake in your noodle for a few.
And to my knowledge the minimums have not ever been exempted for a military individual.
Let that bake in your noodle for a few.
And to my knowledge the minimums have not ever been exempted for a military individual.
01-16-2013, 10:53 PM
#165
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No, wasn't saying that. They are giving the MIL credit for service/experience and allowing them to come in under the basic min which is and has not ever been competitive. The point is Delta made an exception away from their mins every time Deta hired a MIL at those mins. Others are saying their should not be any exceptions! (DEGREE)
Thats the Contradiction..
I think were the only ones on here at 1:53 am...
Thats the Contradiction..
I think were the only ones on here at 1:53 am...
01-16-2013, 10:57 PM
#166
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No, wasn't saying that. They are giving the MIL credit for service/experience and allowing them to come in under the basic min which is and has not ever been competitive. The point is Delta made an exception away from their mins every time Deta hired a MIL at those mins. Others are saying their should not be any exceptions! (DEGREE)
Thats the Contradiction..
I think were the only ones on here at 1:53 am...
Thats the Contradiction..
I think were the only ones on here at 1:53 am...
Competitive minimums for civilian and for military are different for good reason. It's always been that way, and I understand the logic.
The degree thing on the "vault letter" directly contradicts the signed bridge agreement where they will be held to DL min quals which include the 4 year.
I'm up with the new baby. What's your excuse?
01-16-2013, 11:01 PM
#167
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I may not have a college degree, but I sure as hell haven't landed on a taxi way in ATL!
how about coming up short in TLH (purple cargo 727 carrier) or running a 3 holer off the end of the runway in the Philippines yelling come on brakes, come on brakes, while the auto brakes where included in a deferral. I guess a 4 yr degree helped those pilots! Yup a college edgumecation defines what kind of aviator that airman will be.
how about coming up short in TLH (purple cargo 727 carrier) or running a 3 holer off the end of the runway in the Philippines yelling come on brakes, come on brakes, while the auto brakes where included in a deferral. I guess a 4 yr degree helped those pilots! Yup a college edgumecation defines what kind of aviator that airman will be.
01-16-2013, 11:06 PM
#168
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I'd say that 99.99% of those of us with 4-year degrees haven't done those things either. Your point?
01-16-2013, 11:08 PM
#169
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My 7 year old took my spot..
I agree. Wasn't trying to say any neg towards MIL, just dont get the hostility towards the Pinnacle pilots without degrees. Were a good group of pilots that for the most put Safety and professionalism first.. Take care of that little one.
I agree. Wasn't trying to say any neg towards MIL, just dont get the hostility towards the Pinnacle pilots without degrees. Were a good group of pilots that for the most put Safety and professionalism first.. Take care of that little one.
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