Bucking Bar

Yeah, but they are going to get an attorney and sue when they fail checkrides.... did you see that thread?

FlyJSH

Yeah, because driving is so much safer

gredenko

Are you aware of Mesaba's safety record? Most of those pilots are flying the "fenced" operation at Pinnacle.

80ktsClamp

No kidding... However that being said, when I used to work for 9E, I would check the crew names on flights my family members were going to be riding on. If it happened to be certain pilots, I'd have them take another flight!

The sad thing is that was a fairly common practice...

Boomer

Really? And what job is that?



I don't think she's worked a day since Star Trek ended.

Bucking Bar

The irony makes my head spin.

I supported him for ALPA President because I figured he could do less damage there than here.

Won't make that mistake again.

PCL_128

I don't really keep in touch with anyone there on a regular basis anymore. But if it is, it would seem that actual contract language contradicts this "vault letter," and contractual language would take precedent. If the actual legal document requires them to meet normal Delta hiring minimums, then I fail to see how a "secret letter" is going to do anything.

80ktsClamp

Is it really a secret if it's publicly acknowledged to exist?

I hope you're right.

scambo1

Is this your opinion or the opinion of the alpa legal team or the opinion of the ALPA El Presidente'?

What is your opinion on the allegation of admin manual sidestepping?

Do you see this agreement as a strategic victory or gross strategic blunder...or are you waiting to see what DALPA does with it before you answer?

PCL_128

I haven't talked to the ALPA legal team or the ALPA President about it, so I have no idea what their opinion is. But having considerable experience in dealing with contract enforcement, I can tell you that a contract will always trump a desk letter.

Personally, I don't see an Admin Manual violation anywhere. But, I think there is an argument that could be made that one MEC negotiated a document that ties the hands of the company in negotiating with another MEC over the scope of their own flying, which brings up some interesting questions. Questions that should probably be addressed by the Executive Council. But it's unlikely that the Council would ever get involved unless the Delta MEC asked for an interpretation, which apparently has not happened.

A victory or blunder from whose perspective? From the perspective of a Pinnacle pilot, it wasn't a victory, but it was certainly a necessity. Without an agreement, their carrier was going to be shut down. I really don't think there's any doubt about that. From the perspective of another MEC trying to engage in positive pattern bargaining, it's obviously not great news. It makes their job more difficult. But I also see it as an inevitable outcome of allowing flying to be outsourced to the lowest bidder.