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Old 01-05-2013, 07:39 AM
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could just end up being a waist of money too....

They dont need more 50 seaters in Miami, they need bigger planes. We are running ERJs to CLE IND CVG CMH PIT SDF ORF CLT ATL

They need something bigger. They dont need CRJ200s with over water to join our 6 flights a day to NAS and FPO.

It could pan out, but I just dont see why. I could see the rumor side, but MIA NYC and ORD work out great for the current Eagle because of shared destinations and the MX system in place. The airplanes as well for MIA cycle for JFK, ie a plane goes starting at 5am CVG-MIA-CLE-JFK-ORF-MIA-CVG <--ends 11pm. Do not get too excited for MIA as it would mean a huge cluster for JFK as well.
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Originally Posted by rickt86
could just end up being a waist of money too....

They dont need more 50 seaters in Miami, they need bigger planes. We are running ERJs to CLE IND CVG CMH PIT SDF ORF CLT ATL

They need something bigger. They dont need CRJ200s with over water to join our 6 flights a day to NAS and FPO.

It could pan out, but I just dont see why. I could see the rumor side, but MIA NYC and ORD work out great for the current Eagle because of shared destinations and the MX system in place. The airplanes as well for MIA cycle for JFK, ie a plane goes starting at 5am CVG-MIA-CLE-JFK-ORF-MIA-CVG <--ends 11pm. Do not get too excited for MIA as it would mean a huge cluster for JFK as well.
If there is anything I've learned from my brief 7 years in the airline industry, its that airlines do not make what appear to pilots as logical decisions.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
How far overwater? Depending on the exemption it might allow you to use offshore routes into/out of the NE corridor when the weather goes down or there are major flow issues.
I'm pretty sure for WX deviations there are no land distance requirements. If you gotta deviate, don't hesitate.

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If there is anything I've learned from my brief 7 years in the airline industry, its that airlines do not make what appear to pilots as logical decisions.
This is pretty much the only way to view it as a pilot.
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Old 01-05-2013, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
I'm pretty sure for WX deviations there are no land distance requirements. If you gotta deviate, don't hesitate.
Aircraft without an exemption can't file overwater routes. If you're stuck on the ground, deviation isn't an option.

But yes, if you must deviate, you obviously can do so outside the restrictions of the regs to the extent necessary to ensure flight safety.
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:20 AM
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The ERJ is not certified for ditching.

TCDS No.: EASA.IM.A.032 EMB-145 Page 20/25
Issue: 06 Date: 03 August 2012
SECTION 4: NOTES (ALL MODELS) - continued
EMB-145LR, EMB-145LU, EMB-135BJ with SB/Mod per DCA 145-000-
00020/2008:
H30 x 9.50-16 (Main); 19.5 x 6.75-8 (Nose)
1.6 Ditching
All EMB-145 () and EMB-135 () models are not approved for ditching
2. EMB-135BJ
2.1 EMB-135BJ below S/N 145625
Engines: Two Rolls-Royce Corp. USA AE3007A1P turbofan engines
Maximum certified weights
MODEL EMB-135BJ
below SN 145625
Taxi and ramp 22270 kg
Take-off 22200 kg*
Landing 18500 kg
Zero fuel 16000 kg
*For airplanes Pos-mod. SB 145LEG-25-0078 the MTOW will be 22 000 kg (to increase again the
MTOW up to 22 200 kg, the SB 145LEG-25-0079 must be incorporated)
Fuel Capacity:
Maximum usable fuel of 10152 liters (two forward fuselage tanks of 1056 liters at
+8440 mm, two wing tanks of 3198 liters at 13147 mm and two aft fuselage tanks
of 822 liters at +20293 mm). Unusable fuel of 106 liters (forward tanks 27 liters,
wing tanks 44 liters and aft tanks 35 liters).
2.2 EMB-135BJ modified with new Engines AE3007A2, MTOW increase and more fuel
tank according to the DCA 0145-000-00020-2008/EASA (EMB-135BJ
PERFORMANCE ENHANCEMENTS). The EMB-135BJ with this modification
embodied is commercially known as Legacy 650.
Engines: Two Rolls-Royce Corp. USA AE3007A2 turbofan engines
Maximum certified weights
Taxi and ramp 24 370 kg
Take-off 24 300 kg
Landing 20 000 kg
Zero fuel 16 400 kg
*For airplanes Pos-mod. SB 145LEG-25-0078 the MTOW will be 22 000 kg (to increase again the
MTOW up to 24 300 kg, the SB 145LEG-25-0079 must be incorporated)
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why did you need to post all that, you could have just said it. Everyone who fly's the 145 knows its not certified for ditching.
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You could have used the life rafts we had on the 738 yesterday to fly across the rockies
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Originally Posted by rickt86
why did you need to post all that, you could have just said it. Everyone who fly's the 145 knows its not certified for ditching.
Not everyone flys the EMB just like you don't fly a CRJ.
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Old 01-07-2013, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
You could have used the life rafts we had on the 738 yesterday to fly across the rockies
Sorry, it's too big for the overhead. You'd have to pink tag it and leave it at the jetbridge.
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rickt86
could just end up being a waist of money too....

They dont need more 50 seaters in Miami, they need bigger planes. We are running ERJs to CLE IND CVG CMH PIT SDF ORF CLT ATL

They need something bigger. They dont need CRJ200s with over water to join our 6 flights a day to NAS and FPO.

It could pan out, but I just dont see why. I could see the rumor side, but MIA NYC and ORD work out great for the current Eagle because of shared destinations and the MX system in place. The airplanes as well for MIA cycle for JFK, ie a plane goes starting at 5am CVG-MIA-CLE-JFK-ORF-MIA-CVG <--ends 11pm. Do not get too excited for MIA as it would mean a huge cluster for JFK as well.
Skywest Inc knows better than to waste their money on over water certification in hopes that someone will give them a flying contract for those ops. It could be plenty of things, diversification of feed, restructuring of regional operators and airplanes in hubs, etc. Until it's in print and the airplanes are doing the operations everything is just a rumor.

On a serious note, why do you take everything with eagle so personally? Every ASA thread that has even mentioned American flying you've jumped into with some level of butt hurt.
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