Originally Posted by MunkyButtr

We all know why you want pinnacle to vote it down and it has nothing to do with pay. You have been a vocal 9e hater since you left and found your demi-god seat amongst skywest sky kings. What you fail to realize is that you would actually benefit from pinnacle passing this TA. If we don't and we go under then you only have gojets and compass to compete with. This TA puts pinnacle at the middle of the road, cheaper than you, but more expensive than gojets and compass. Be careful what you wish for , slats, we all know you're only drooling over the airplanes.

Originally Posted by MunkyButtr

We all know why you want pinnacle to vote it down and it has nothing to do with pay. You have been a vocal 9e hater since you left and found your demi-god seat amongst skywest sky kings. What you fail to realize is that you would actually benefit from pinnacle passing this TA. If we don't and we go under then you only have gojets and compass to compete with. This TA puts pinnacle at the middle of the road, cheaper than you, but more expensive than gojets and compass. Be careful what you wish for , slats, we all know you're only drooling over the airplanes.

Originally Posted by vilcas

If pilots would not accept jobs at unacceptable wages the wages would go up. The problem is that if you as an individual refuse to take the job someone else will. So the wages stay low. I am not saying you should work for a company that doesn't pay you well. I am advocating quitting and if everyone quits they will change.

Originally Posted by Slats

Yeah, I guess me and every other pilot group in contract negotiations feel the same way.

actually, 9e would be cheaper than GoJetzzzz Munk. So, please give me some hard facts as to how "we" would benefit from your TA passing? I care more about pay, not airplanes.

Originally Posted by CheckPower

Slats, what factual information do you have that 9E will be cheaper than Gojets? You make me laugh.

Originally Posted by AxialFlow

Always has been and always will be an empty red-herring used to to try and silence the union dissenters. When was the last time any CEO came to the pilot group and said "Gee guys, we're all outta ideas up here. Got any solutions???" We're here to make get people from A to B safely. Unless your "solution" is to increase the bottom line (i.e. paycuts), management doesn't look to us for our input or feedback. The "solution" of taking 3 steps back (i.e. living to fight another day) is exactly what has brought this industry to the tumultuous state it's in today. Belliott stated it very well. Got any solutions that DON'T involve kicking the industry in the nuts, Check?

Originally Posted by Slats

Yeah, I guess me and every other pilot group in contract negotiations feel the same way.

actually, 9e would be cheaper than GoJetzzzz Munk. So, please give me some hard facts as to how "we" would benefit from your TA passing? I care more about pay, not airplanes.

Originally Posted by MunkyButtr

I'm not going to waste my time with you slats. The fact that you've not seen the TA that we are voting on nor do you know anything about the gojets (self-admittedly) contract proves you are a lost cause. 9E will not be cheaper than gojets, in fact they will not be cheaper than shuttle either. thanks for the entertainment though.

Originally Posted by CheckPower

ShyGuy, Im sure you have read some of my posts which gives you an idea of my point of view. I will ask you the same thing I have asked others to answer so I can better understand your point of view. Please answer honestly as if you were in our situation.

If you had the choice:

A) Keep your job a little while longer to build up your flight time, get your ATP to make yourself more marketable and all the other perks in the TA plus $2000 for 0-1st year longevity, save the aircraft we have left from going to S5 and Gojets which lowers the bar even more for your next negotiations.

OR

B) Become unemployed


What would you personally choose? And yes this is a direct question for you to answer, a simple A or B will suffice.

And while were at it, I will repost the other two questions I posed to another member here.

1) If you were making $75K to $120k per year, would you be so eager to give that up for the sake of the industry and the good of other pilots? Just curious, an honest yes or no answer please with an explanation if you dont mind. Thanks

2) Also, in all sincerity, could you explain how it will benefit the industry when our airplanes go to a carrier that will fly them for less than we can, even with our concessionary TA? Keep in mind that three other carriers have already bid for our flying in the event the TA doesnt pass and they are cheaper than us with our TA.



Instead of incendiary remarks like yours, and others, why dont you try to come up with a solution and share that with us? These kind of remarks do nothing to sway my vote. Its comments like these that will keep us segregated forever and further the divide that exists. Perhaps that is what you want? I know that is what mainline/management does to whipsaw us and here you are doing the same thing.

The only reason I can see that non-9E NoVoters have, to pursue the negativity, is that it threatens your career because 9E will still be in competition with you and you will not have all of our planes. You see a weak carrier (9E) getting bent over with this TA and instead of trying to help us get through it you only hold the door open to the slaughter house for us. The lack of unity we share as regional pilots is our downfall.



You ask for me to hold the line for you and the best you can come up with is telling me that I am accepting bribe money.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

It is bribe money to get it passed. 65% of the group is going to be unemployed. That is fact, regardless of if this TA passes, 65% are gone. I left 9E a lil while ago, but if I was still there, I'd vote no. Say NO to the bribe money being slanted for the senior side. Think about it, who needs more money, a guy going from $105k to 80k or a guy going from 85k to 39k. This is just like the classic money grab case from the seniors 9E TA #1.