Delta to buy Pinnacle
01-06-2013, 11:10 AM
#161
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And this is the crux of the entire problem.
Anyone who gets the beat down because of unfair law and management practices is expected to take the sacrificial fall to better the others in the industry.
If we had a real union organization, all of our union brothers from other airlines would be coming to OUR aid and not allow management to treat us in this manner.
As it is, we are expected to fall on the sword for them.
Anyone who gets the beat down because of unfair law and management practices is expected to take the sacrificial fall to better the others in the industry.
If we had a real union organization, all of our union brothers from other airlines would be coming to OUR aid and not allow management to treat us in this manner.
As it is, we are expected to fall on the sword for them.
01-06-2013, 12:59 PM
#162
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I will say this simply. I realize this is not what you want to hear but the whole reason to outsource is to save money. Cheap carriers will get more business than expensive ones. If you think that because you have a lot of responsibility in the job you are supposed to be doing and that translates into a good salary, well thats not the way salaries work. Teachers provide an invaluable service and they are not paid very well for it. I think that pay for first officers is criminal. The only way that will change is if no one takes the job at that level of pay. My point with Comair versus Pinnacle is that the pilot group at Pinnacle has not had the same problems with their mainline counterparts. I am basing this on hearsay and anecdotal evidence. The only reason I bring this up is because people think that Pinnacle is dead because Delta is acquiring them.
01-06-2013, 01:10 PM
#163
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If pilots would not accept jobs at unacceptable wages the wages would go up. The problem is that if you as an individual refuse to take the job someone else will. So the wages stay low. I am not saying you should work for a company that doesn't pay you well. I am advocating quitting and if everyone quits they will change.
01-06-2013, 01:12 PM
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If pilots would not accept jobs at unacceptable wages the wages would go up. The problem is that if you as an individual refuse to take the job someone else will. So the wages stay low. I am not saying you should work for a company that doesn't pay you well. I am advocating quitting and if everyone quits they will change.
01-06-2013, 01:22 PM
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At a job fair I attended this past fall everyone in line in front of and behind me were ex Comair. The level of maturity and professionalism I saw was above anything I could have imagined. The guys and gals I was in line with were 10-15 and 20 year plus employees that were getting furloughed and thier attitudes were head and shoulders above a lot of attitudes I've seen and heard over the years in crew rooms and riding jumpseats of every airline from the biggest frieght company to the smallest regional. Not trying to harsh on anyone else by any means, just saying, from what I saw, they were a class act.
01-06-2013, 02:37 PM
#168
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Pinnacle is not Comair that is the point. I am sure Comair was full of great pilots. I am not saying that they were not. I only was pointing out that the dynamic between Delta and Pinnacle is different than between Delta and Comair however imagined it maybe have been.
01-06-2013, 03:18 PM
#169
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Point taken. Like I say, not trying to say anything bad about others, just stating that I was amazed at how positive Comair pilots were I the face of an absolutely horrible situation.
01-06-2013, 03:52 PM
#170
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We all know why you want pinnacle to vote it down and it has nothing to do with pay. You have been a vocal 9e hater since you left and found your demi-god seat amongst skywest sky kings. What you fail to realize is that you would actually benefit from pinnacle passing this TA. If we don't and we go under then you only have gojets and compass to compete with. This TA puts pinnacle at the middle of the road, cheaper than you, but more expensive than gojets and compass. Be careful what you wish for , slats, we all know you're only drooling over the airplanes.
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