Saabs

So are we gonna get better travel benefits like comair had? Hahahahahaha

CheckPower

ShyGuy, Im sure you have read some of my posts which gives you an idea of my point of view. I will ask you the same thing I have asked others to answer so I can better understand your point of view. Please answer honestly as if you were in our situation.

If you had the choice:

A) Keep your job a little while longer to build up your flight time, get your ATP to make yourself more marketable and all the other perks in the TA plus $2000 for 0-1st year longevity, save the aircraft we have left from going to S5 and Gojets which lowers the bar even more for your next negotiations.

OR

B) Become unemployed


What would you personally choose? And yes this is a direct question for you to answer, a simple A or B will suffice.

And while were at it, I will repost the other two questions I posed to another member here.

1) If you were making $75K to $120k per year, would you be so eager to give that up for the sake of the industry and the good of other pilots? Just curious, an honest yes or no answer please with an explanation if you dont mind. Thanks

2) Also, in all sincerity, could you explain how it will benefit the industry when our airplanes go to a carrier that will fly them for less than we can, even with our concessionary TA? Keep in mind that three other carriers have already bid for our flying in the event the TA doesnt pass and they are cheaper than us with our TA.



Instead of incendiary remarks like yours, and others, why dont you try to come up with a solution and share that with us? These kind of remarks do nothing to sway my vote. Its comments like these that will keep us segregated forever and further the divide that exists. Perhaps that is what you want? I know that is what mainline/management does to whipsaw us and here you are doing the same thing.

The only reason I can see that non-9E NoVoters have, to pursue the negativity, is that it threatens your career because 9E will still be in competition with you and you will not have all of our planes. You see a weak carrier (9E) getting bent over with this TA and instead of trying to help us get through it you only hold the door open to the slaughter house for us. The lack of unity we share as regional pilots is our downfall.



You ask for me to hold the line for you and the best you can come up with is telling me that I am accepting bribe money.

twebb

I wish pinnacle the best, I have many friends there. But what you said is a bit off. Too many signs show a repeat of the past. I fear a yes vote will bring down pay and qol, only to give you guys an extra year or two. Then the next regional for many for you will follow suit in downgraded pay and qol.

Fly782

Hmm you sure it is just Comair that has pilots with poor attitudes? TOTD

dogpilot

[QUOTE=CheckPower;1323890]The union didnt sell out the mid to junior pilots. I am one of them. The union negotiated a deal with Delta and Delta said "no thanks, Gojets will do it cheaper". The Union went back to Delta and renegotiated a deal that Delta would agree to. That deal is the TA we are voting on now. The Union could have held the line and said no thanks and shut the doors. But they stuck with it so that the pilots could determine their own fate.

All the Union did was give the pilots the choice to wind down or stay employed. They openly admit that this TA sucks but they were not willing to decide the fate of 2400 pilots on their own. They left that decision soley to the pilot group.

Go to a road show and get all the info. Hell, even Pinnacle Pete said they did a great job negotiating this TA. If you knew Pinnacle Pete, that says something.

I hope when you and I are 20 year captains that the union fights for me and you. The union represents all pilots, not just the low to mid seniority guys.[QUOTE]
You are losing it if you don't think this benefits the very senior only. The methodology for computing the compensation pay is ludicrous, they claim it is to make up for lack of advancement. How about the guys being downgraded they are losing way more, and the guys losing their jobs, how do you put a price tag on that? There will be no advancement after this is voted in, the naivete is nauseating. This whole pay out thing is one disgusting example of these jokers negotiating for the top guys. They could of saved that money and put it toward first officer pay and first officer longevity, those are the guys getting screwed by this, but no that would take an ounce of empathy for those who will either be out of work or forever FO. Can't make your payments on 90 grand a year!! Way to go TW.

Silver02ex

It's not worth it, you are asking someone who's not facing the same situation we are. He will say "I would vote no, blah blah blah". It's easy for someone who works at XJT, Skywest and so on to say "Vote no" because they are not facing the same situation we are. I can tell you that you will not find one Pinnacle pilot who is happy about voting yes or no. It's a hard choice to make, and sucks no matter how you look at it. We don't benefits in any way from this TA compared to what we have. Pay cut, work rules loss of flying and so on.

CRJ900Series

I was there 26 years. Where were all those pilots hiding?

Agreed.

Seems like a lot of pilots around here with attitudes.

PCLCREW

No your right... Pinnacle is just filled with pilots that would put knee pads on and get on their knees for Delta anytime.
Oh didn't Pinnacle vote 99% to strike also?
You are the tool of the day.

Dirty Sanchez

The current folks are crediting 100 hours a month on full time buy, while the reserve pilots are lucky to break guarantee (75). Those on partial buy use it as a tool to enhance their schedules and work the system. Same name, different faces, nothing has changed.

When is the last time Wychor has touched the controls? Or has he had a 10+ year career in "negotiating"?

Boomer

Comair went on strike and their performance was poor...

The strike was almost 12 years ago. Are you saying Comair has had poor performance for 12 years? Please show your math.

TOTD IMHO. YMMV.