CheckPower

The union didnt sell out the mid to junior pilots. I am one of them. The union negotiated a deal with Delta and Delta said "no thanks, Gojets will do it cheaper". The Union went back to Delta and renegotiated a deal that Delta would agree to. That deal is the TA we are voting on now. The Union could have held the line and said no thanks and shut the doors. But they stuck with it so that the pilots could determine their own fate.

All the Union did was give the pilots the choice to wind down or stay employed. They openly admit that this TA sucks but they were not willing to decide the fate of 2400 pilots on their own. They left that decision soley to the pilot group.

Go to a road show and get all the info. Hell, even Pinnacle Pete said they did a great job negotiating this TA. If you knew Pinnacle Pete, that says something.

I hope when you and I are 20 year captains that the union fights for me and you. The union represents all pilots, not just the low to mid seniority guys.






You guys still crack me up

Pinchanickled

Negative. 66% become UNEMPLOYED regardless. They do not have the choice to stay employed. The final result is an airline with 81 planes, staffed at 10 pilots per plane. That's 810 pilots. 1,500 end up UNEMPLOYED. The bottom 1,500 pilots do not have a choice. F'ed either way.


You crack ME up!


Let me make this even more clear....


The bottom 66% of the pilot group gets two options:

OPTION A - UNEMPLOYMENT

OR

OPTION B - UNEMPLOYMENT

9easy

"66% will be unemployed" is uniformed hyperbole.

No airframes (besides the ATL frames that are already gone) will be removed until August 2013. By then we will have lost another 500 pilots.

When the 200's start to go, 900's will come at a 1/4 ratio. During the 18 months the 200's leave, we will lose about 6 frames per month, which is about 50 crewmembers per month. We currently have attrition at the same level. By 2015, it's very likely that there will be about 1000 9E pilots, but in 18 months we will naturally lose 1000+ pilots. Furloughs will continue to be minimal for those who want to stay or can't leave.

Pinchanickled

So your saying the bottom 66% will furlough themself into unemployment? Because nobody is hiring. Market's flooded with ComAir pilots. Maybe as the airline crumbles pilots will get jobs at Walmart. I can see that.

Where are you getting 1,000 9E pilots? Staffing of 5 crews per plane. 10 pilots per plane. 81 planes = 810 pilots. Simple.

mooney

+1 it's not like 1/2 the fleet is getting chopped the day after the TA is signed....66% being gone not of their own will is just whack.

lolwut

What's the opposite of the words: 1) Always 2) Coming 3) From 4) Take 5) Me 6) Down

9easy

We are already losing 30-40 per month and that's without United hiring (50 per month starting soon), retirement boom, or the eventual Delta trickle.

CheckPower

Well played Pinchanickled but once again you left out some important information. Neither options address the benefits of the TA to a very junior pilot and to the industry as a whole.

If you had the choice:

A) Keep your job a little while longer to build up your flight time, get your ATP to make yourself more marketable and all the other perks in the TA plus $2000 for 0-1st year longevity, save the aircraft we have left from going to S5 and Gojets which lowers the bar even more for your next negotiations.

OR

B) Become unemployed


What would you personally choose? And yes this is a direct question for you to answer, a simple A or B will suffice.

And while were at it, I will repost the other two questions I posed to you, just in case you missed them or just forgot to answer them.

1) Pinchanickled, if you were making $75K to $120k per year, would you be so eager to give that up for the sake of the industry and the good of other pilots? Just curious, an honest yes or no answer please with an explanation if you dont mind. Thanks

2) Also, in all sincerity, could you explain how it will benefit the industry when our airplanes go to a carrier that will fly them for less than we can, even with our concessionary TA? Keep in mind that three other carriers have already bid for our flying in the event the TA doesnt pass and they are cheaper than us with our TA.

Pinchanickled, please understand that I am not trying to attack you. I am sincerely looking for a rational arguement that would sway my vote from yes to no. Most of you dont have all the information regarding this TA so its difficult to make an informed decision. I understand that.

To everyone else, I am just curious. How would you all honestly vote if you were in our situation given the above information?

This TA sucks. Unemployment sucks more.






You guys still crack me up

CheckPower

You are not taking into account the new rest rules that go into effect Jan 2014 that will require all airlines to increase their staffing to accomodate these rules.





You guys still crack me up

Saabs

Man ur obsessed with this. Who cares? Really either way who cares? Vote however ya want. Take a Xanax and chilax.