buddies8

RyanP
first, when they say eagle order they are talking about L-eagle and not the brander's?
Second, would not making the order public enhance the hiring at L-eagle and give L-eagle the ability to hire before the rest of the regionals hire and then there will be none to hire?
Third, double edge sword, if no public announcement of a fleet plan and guaranteed plans for L-eagle, then there will be minimum new hires since they would be going elswhere and since L-eagle cant hire then the fleet plan will disolve since the issue is to staff the aircraft.

I know you said you are skeptical, just playng devils advocate.

SongMan

Thank you for this info. It helps me greatly to understand why such a hire.

Having said, one thing I'm not clear is, why are some still on reserve for two years and counting? I don't know much about airlines but doesn't this much reserve means too many pilots?

Thanks

RyanP

They were talking about a fleet plan for us specifically. Yes, I know releasing a fleet plan would certainly help hiring (if it was good news). You just have to accept the fact that we are dealing with complete idiots making the decisions around here. They refuse to deal with the root of the problems.

buddies8

completely agreed about the idiots.

RyanP

Being on reserve a long time doesn't really mean too many pilots.
Example- An airline could have the correct staffing it needs with a steady fleet and monthly schedules. Assuming nobody is leaving, the bottom people on reserve would stay on reserve forever in this case.

People recently got stuck on reserve for a long time here because we (were) pretty stagnant with attrition, we furloughed, and there was no new hires for a while. No new hires = people on the bottom, stay on the bottom. In simple terms..

Think about it for a second. If you are on the bottom and your company stops hiring for 2 years.. Who replaces you as a new bottom reserve guy? Nobody.. So you stay bottom reserve until new hires eventually come in to replace you. Somebody has to be on reserve to cover open flights or they would just end up having to cancel them.. and unfortunately for whoever is on the bottom, they get stuck with that. You will only get off reserve as people above you leave and new hires come in below you to take your place on reserve. Or possibly if scheduled flights increase. Without those things, you stay on reserve.

As long as things stay moving, which they are predicted too, with high attrition and flowthroughs.. reserve for a new hire won't be anywhere near 2-3 years. If the music stops again.. All bets are off. Reserve time is always a gamble at any airline. It's unpredictable and constantly changing depending on your hire date. Anyone that tries to "guarantee" you something is a liar. Some people are on reserve for a month, some years. I would say the odds are pretty good reserve for a new hire today will be less than a year, but I wouldn't ever promise it. Not in this volatile industry.

RyanP

I didn't say I believe everything in the teleconference. I just relayed the information that was put out today, not everyone has access to it. People can do with it what they want. I know a lot of what they put out is total BS.

Not sure why you are so dead set on sabotaging yourself if you actually work here though. Trying to scare every potential new hire off and drive them to Republic to staff our losses is just going to make everything even worse than it already is. Pretty moronic thing to do if you ask me.

PilotJ3

You're way off saying that they will park our EMJ to get more airplanes to others. This is an assumption without facts.

We did knew before they even announced the closure of LAX, Skywest/Xjet and Republic deal that they where going to return them. Even Xjet can't get the staffing for the "eagle" flying. And for sure RAH won't be able to staff all the Qs and the 47 Ejets without having some kind of trouble with their other flying.

RAH does a big chunk of USAir flying, but I think that AA + USAir feed is a lot more that what we think they'll be able to outsource.

I do believe that the NA certificate will have a big roll in the future. I'm skeptical too about getting that "big order" they said today. I do believe that we will eventually get some planes in the future. I do also believe that we will be a 200ish planes airline at the end.

TG and his friends need to go. I really think this is a great airline is just mismanaged in many ways.

lavMan

Mergers, 9/11, age 65. I fall into the 15yr category? I was 23.5 when I finished IOE? Crap happens in this business? Trickle hiring, with maybe the possibility of hiring starting this spring. It doesn't always work out as planned? My stuff is out like other people,just waiting to hear, hopefully!

embraer

Those still on Reserve here at Eagle are the ones hired in the months leading up to the bankrupcy in November. At that time there was movement and average time on reserve was 7 months.

Once AA declared bankrupcy in November 2011 everything came to a halt. Hiring, movement, etc.. So wherever people were at that time is where they are today for the most part. Only now are we starting to see some movement again and hiring. So, anybody hired in mid/late 2011 who is still on reserve will probably hold a line later this year. Perhaps even by late summer.

PilotJ3

Once they start the upgrades it will be fast. I just want to hold 3 day trips, that would make me happy. I used to do three 3 day trip and one 4 day a month. It was awesome...