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01-17-2013, 05:38 PM

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embraer

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Originally Posted by Red Forman

He said stop paying based on seniority. You would still use seniority for reserve, lines, vacation, etc.

I have suggested before two seniority lists. One for company seniority and a national one for pay. It would be much better than how things are now.

01-17-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by embraer

I have suggested before two seniority lists. One for company seniority and a national one for pay. It would be much better than how things are now.

Or how about paying based on logged flight time for 121 carriers?

First 500 hours of 121 time, $40/hr. 501-1000 hours, $45/hr. 1001-1500 hours, $50/hr.

01-17-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by embraer

I have suggested before two seniority lists. One for company seniority and a national one for pay. It would be much better than how things are now.

How about a National Longevity List? That way, your longevity is started the day you start 121. So if you start over at another airline your longevity goes with you for pay but you don't bump anyone with seniority as that starts over.

01-17-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Chow

Mojo,

One of the Delta guys had a good idea and that was to stop paying based on seniority. Instead, FO's at one rate and captains at another rate. No national seniority lists and no more problems with longevity.

TC

Ryanair (the European Ryanair) does this. It would put a stop to these regionals getting top heavy with senior captains, which ultimately makes them more expensive than their competitors.

01-17-2013, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultralight

Ryanair (the European Ryanair) does this. It would put a stop to these regionals getting top heavy with senior captains, which ultimately makes them more expensive than their competitors.

oh go cry to your momma. that is the only reasonable response to your statement that can be made.

01-17-2013, 09:25 PM

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Flamebait. A reasonable discussion would include these ideas and more. Keep them coming, anyone with experience should not be punished.

01-18-2013, 02:45 AM

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Alpa should set pay rates for airplanes nationally. End of story

01-18-2013, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rickt86

Alpa should set pay rates for airplanes nationally. End of story

ALPA should do no such thing. This crooked fiefdom of fat cats doesn't speak for all pilots. Their primary voice is for their own financial solvency and the thickness of the upper echelons wallets.

01-18-2013, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by buddies8

oh go cry to your momma. that is the only reasonable response to your statement that can be made.

Cry to my momma is a reasonable response? Its the nature of the beast that regionals with lots of senior guys earning close to $100 an hour with 4 weeks vacation and 401k match cost more to operate than those that don't. Hence the continuous regional shuffle. Did Comair and Pinnacle tell Delta to go cry to their momma when they told them they were too expensive? You obviously have no clue how a business is run.
It might not be fair but its the way the game is played unfortunately. In the long run most pilots would be better off financially if their airlines survived because they wouldn't have to start at the bottom of the pile on year 1 pay all over again. A scenario played out by most pilots at some point in their career.

Last edited by Ultralight; 01-18-2013 at 05:25 AM. Reason: Called my momma to cry but she didn't pick up!

01-18-2013, 05:12 AM

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but then the senior pilot then would have to leave and start at the bottom at year one to satisfy what you said for the survivability of the regional company. Heres an idea, why does not the government stop management from starting sub division within a corporation to to lower wages and benefits. Basically we have an internal USA manufacturing transfer of jobs overseas with this ability to start up new regionals to drop here expenses JUST so mainline can make more profits.

Your statement is the one that management wants you to make, it takes the heat off management at both mainline and regional from there ineptness at being in a position of leadership and raping there respective companies. Just an idea.