Mason32

okay, I didn't fully grasp the explanation while the discussion took place. Whatever this adjustment conference is; they want it to go away; since they now feel the lowest two pay scales will likely be raises for you guys. So, I'd look at what else may be hidden in there that would go away with it also.
They also want to increase benefit contributions. It does sound very much PSAish without a B scale, and with a whole lot more jets, and a much better flow thru program.
I'm fairly certain from taling with my nephew (at Eagle) that their new MEC is not likely to accept this either. The majority of them are of the opinion that the company will have to sweeten the flow-thru program just to attract new hires; and that they can't staff their current flying; will begin parking planes for lack of pilots soon, have returned block hours next year to us already, and they are convinced they'll have to give them at least some of the new planes anyway.
pretty ballsy

Bzzt

Well if the offer is what you said in the above post I hope they do vote no. A 50% flow is not worth taking concessions, the senior guys already have a 50% flow and anyone junior of the 824 is going to be waiting quite awhile even at 50% to go to AA. Thats years spent at Eagle with capped pay, low 401k, and less vacation while hundreds / thousands of guys depending on your AE seniority number get crammed on the AA list.

As to the airplanes the industry is such that they can't shift all of AE's flying away even if they wanted to. There are simply not enough pilots to cover our lift, if they shut AE down you're not going to see 100% of AE pilots apply at other regionals. It's not our responsibility as pilots to pay for AA to refleet their regional feed.

RyanP

Hahaha.. The B scale was even a much better deal than this. At least all current pilots wouldn't get screwed with that trash. They are also gonna have to do a helluva lot better than a 50% flow since we already have that now.. The bottom of the 824 will already have 800+ senior to them "if" they ever even hire the 1600 more pilots to get to them (which will take MANY years). Offer Better be More like 100% of classes from Eagle.. With actual seniority #'s this time.

Not interested in getting my vacation taken away (again) either.. Or my pay capped, then wacked to industry lowest in 4 years (when we're still stuck here because the flowthrough sucks).

Try again..

feltf4

Heard that the last two classes had 0 new hires show up, this true? Source current AE pilot.

ERJF15

Nm


Filler

RyanP

100% false. Have talked to both of the last two incoming classes in the training hotel. See them everyday.. Mostly CRJ NY.

Aviatrx

They had 8 in basic indoc last week.

Mason32

You do not have 50% flow for every pilot on your property, or for every new hire. They will extend the 824 agreement to cover all your pilots. No interview, no medical, just come over. That is 2,000 more pilots right off the bat, plus all future new hires.... Who will all be selected by AA HR instead of Eagle HR.

The choice they will give you is the option to continue to shrink while they award chunks of new flying contracts to everybody else one chunk at a time. Over a 3-5 year period you will shrink as people leave, until small enough to just close the doors. That's their threat.

Personally, I think you all should be harassing your leaders to get working with ours ASAP on one list rather than just numbers and the other few schemes they've come up with.

The current deal isn't good, but it does offer better opportunity than any other regional has. Look at the retirements scheduled. If ANY of you are still at Eagle in three years, it's because you want to be. They are even offering no concessions for your senior guys to retire there.

Bzzt

AA is hiring 1500 over 5 years that's 750 eagle pilots at AA in 5 years. I know that other majors will be hiring but I seriously doubt 2000 guys will get hired at other carriers in the next 3 years. 50% flow is a joke, for a guy at the bottom of the list he is looking at 2500+ guys crammed on the AA list senior to him, why take concessions for that meager reward?

Vote no, DUI Douggie can give all the flying to PSA for all I care, I'm not willing to torpedo the rest of the industry just to save my regional job that I hate.

Edit: forgot to mention that AE can/will/has been metering the flow so the 50% isn't actually 50%

PilotJ3

We have 50% of the 824 and 30% after that until last hire of Oct 11, 2011. After those we have preferential interview for eveybody else. Starting my 4th year here I'm far away from upgrade, sorry can't get stuck while health insurance and QOL increase on life.