Eagle to hire 600+ in 2013!
#1241
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This is the single most important factor, a desire to break free & making the efforts to achieve that.....
One can't expect to win the lottery with out even buying a lottery ticket.......
#1242
I've seen the numbers at AA, the retirements are not "massive" especially not for the next 5 years.
About the 7 year regional pilots, like I've said guys with exceptional qualifications, women, internships, and great recommendations will get people hired well before normal guys.
About the 7 year regional pilots, like I've said guys with exceptional qualifications, women, internships, and great recommendations will get people hired well before normal guys.
But, misery loves company and you're just looking for someone to hang with, right?
I kept a positive attitude, ensured I kept my nose clean, networked well, and spent 3 years at a regional. Not a small number of my peers spent a similar amount of time there as well. Almost half of my newhire class had moved on to the major/legacy level by the 4 year mark. What you put into this career ends up being directly related to what you get out of it.
If you're fine with mediocrity and having a poor attitude, then yes, you are in for a long run at the the lower levels.
#1243
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Well, Bzzt, I'm sorry you're so convinced that most of today's pilots will likely go nowhere in this industry. It's true, things will start somehwhat slowly, but they ARE starting. The pace of hiring will only increase - dramatically - over the years. The factors that caused so many pilots to get stuck at the Regional level for many years (yours truly included) were a recession, then 9/11, then the huge RJ boom, Age 65 (NO forced retirements for five years - ugh), then the housing bubble burst and banking (near) collapse. Personally, I made the best of those years and lived where I wanted to live and enjoyed life to the fullest with my wife and dogs.
Those factors all combined to cause stagnation at the Legacy level for essentially a decade. Yes, this was bad, but I would not call it a permanent situation by any means. Things are turning around and more and more pilots will be hired by the Majors over the years to come, almost certainly at an ever increasing rate.
As has always been said in this industry, the past (heck, the PRESENT) does not reflect the future of this industry. Yes, nothing is certain (is anything ever?), but you may find yourself surprised to be in a position sooner than later to accept a Major Airline pilot position.
Keep your chin up.
Those factors all combined to cause stagnation at the Legacy level for essentially a decade. Yes, this was bad, but I would not call it a permanent situation by any means. Things are turning around and more and more pilots will be hired by the Majors over the years to come, almost certainly at an ever increasing rate.
As has always been said in this industry, the past (heck, the PRESENT) does not reflect the future of this industry. Yes, nothing is certain (is anything ever?), but you may find yourself surprised to be in a position sooner than later to accept a Major Airline pilot position.
Keep your chin up.
#1244
Combine AA, UA, DL, FDX, UPS... even in the next 5 year's it's more movement than we've seen in the last 10 in a very short timespan. DL alone is looking at 600 new bodies in 2014 alone.
But, misery loves company and you're just looking for someone to hang with, right?
I kept a positive attitude, ensured I kept my nose clean, networked well, and spent 3 years at a regional. Not a small number of my peers spent a similar amount of time there as well. Almost half of my newhire class had moved on to the major/legacy level by the 4 year mark. What you put into this career ends up being directly related to what you get out of it.
If you're fine with mediocrity and having a poor attitude, then yes, you are in for a long run at the the lower levels.
But, misery loves company and you're just looking for someone to hang with, right?
I kept a positive attitude, ensured I kept my nose clean, networked well, and spent 3 years at a regional. Not a small number of my peers spent a similar amount of time there as well. Almost half of my newhire class had moved on to the major/legacy level by the 4 year mark. What you put into this career ends up being directly related to what you get out of it.
If you're fine with mediocrity and having a poor attitude, then yes, you are in for a long run at the the lower levels.
I'll also agree that a positive attitude can make a big difference, but when you're stagnated in the right seat of an RJ, it's difficult to keep smiling.
#1245
Not saying you're bragging, but you're aware that you've been VERY fortunate right? While I'm not discounting the hard work you put in, it seems like you upgraded within 1.5 to 2 years and got out. The majority of the FO's at my company have been here longer than 3 years. Without the PIC time, it is EXTREMELY difficult to move on, despite the best of efforts. If you don't mind, which regional did you work for?
I'll also agree that a positive attitude can make a big difference, but when you're stagnated in the right seat of an RJ, it's difficult to keep smiling.
I'll also agree that a positive attitude can make a big difference, but when you're stagnated in the right seat of an RJ, it's difficult to keep smiling.
The point was that movement was in a mild hiring spree by the majors, and what is just coming in hiring in the next 2 years has not been seen in 13 years. After that the retirements continue to increase... The last 5 years has sucked as far as stagnation in the aviation world. That is coming to a close, thankfully.
I'm not saying just smile and act like everything is great in the world, but there is a big picture that needs to be had. The last 5 years have been a perfect storm of suck- Age 65 and then the massive recession, the apparent culmination of the 50 seat bubble, and very limited major airline hiring. To embrace that pause is the new norm is ignorant at best. Everything goes in cycles.
#1248
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80kts you've been incredibly fortunate, there are guys who've been an FO at Eagle as long as you've been at DAL.
I think the "networking" thing is the worst part about this industry honestly. It's not about your qualifications but how much you've prostituted yourself and brown nosed. Yes I have 1 rec at both UAL and DAL but I felt disgusting even asking.
I think the "networking" thing is the worst part about this industry honestly. It's not about your qualifications but how much you've prostituted yourself and brown nosed. Yes I have 1 rec at both UAL and DAL but I felt disgusting even asking.
#1249
My close friend spoke with delta in mia at the obapa fair. They wouldn't touch him since no pic time. He was eagle, corporate, currently on a 76 freighter doing long haul and his father is retired delta. Wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole he said.
#1250
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Can't be. According to this thread everyone is getting hired, just regular guys etc. MASSIVE retirements, pilot shortage, rainbows, unicorns, etc. etc.
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