Eagle to hire 600+ in 2013!
08-23-2013, 05:27 AM
#1021
Does NOT get weekends off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: ERJ - 145
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08-24-2013, 02:52 AM
#1022
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 267
We are losing 20-25 fo's a month. As of 21aug13 we had 19 people leave in the month of aug. We need staffing and can't recruit with this bankruptcy held over our head and we need people more than ever with the flow. The flow will be metered if we don't get new hires.
08-24-2013, 02:53 AM
#1023
Underpaid...
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: French-Canadian
Posts: 2,101
Check your numbers, I don't think most of the guys leaving are junior FO. Most of the guys leaving are senior FO or junior CA.
08-24-2013, 04:08 AM
#1024
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,723
There's 3 FO's on the OFC rsv list alone that quit this month.
08-24-2013, 06:18 AM
#1025
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Reclined
Posts: 2,168
I'm really sorry that you got hired into the regional industry at a bad period of severe stagnation which adversely affected your career opportunities. However, your resulting severely jaded rambling opinions couldnt' be further from accurate.
The reality is that any pilot being hired into almost ANY regional is likely to spend very little time as an FO (compared to your generation), will upgrade quickly, and will have opportunity to move to a mainline carrier.
The regionals that are wholly owned will provide the fastest movement, since their senior FO's and CA's will not only be able to apply off the street to all majors, but will also have some type of guaranteed flow through agreements; in many cases these will include carrying over their company time for vacation and benefits. Anybody hired today, remaining at a regional for more than 8 years will be doing so by choice, unlike your generation that was simply stuck. They should expect 2-4 years as FO's and 2-4 years as CA's before flowing and being hired elsewhere.
There simply aren't enough pilots at all of the regionals combined to cover all of the mainline retirements over the next 10 years. Management knows this already. That is why they are downsizing their owned regionals, switching to larger airframes to keep the same or similar ASM's, and reduce the number of crews required. They will use their regionals as recruitment centers, keeping wages artificially low, likely to end up with issuing mainline DOH numbers and gurantee flow. The draw to work at the regional will be that you are hired at the mainline, just awaiting your class. With the retirement schedules, these programs will actually work correctly for once.
This is not the only profession that got turned upside down through stagnation. It happens in waves in many professions. It also unfortunately creates a large group of disgruntled folks (such as yourself) who can't stand that somebody coming in years after them will have a better career than they have. It's okay, we understand.... but we can't change it for you either.
08-24-2013, 09:10 AM
#1026
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,648
Hope you're right Mason.
08-24-2013, 09:13 AM
#1027
Underpaid...
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: French-Canadian
Posts: 2,101
I'm really sorry that you got hired into the regional industry at a bad period of severe stagnation which adversely affected your career opportunities. However, your resulting severely jaded rambling opinions couldnt' be further from accurate.
The reality is that any pilot being hired into almost ANY regional is likely to spend very little time as an FO (compared to your generation), will upgrade quickly, and will have opportunity to move to a mainline carrier.
The regionals that are wholly owned will provide the fastest movement, since their senior FO's and CA's will not only be able to apply off the street to all majors, but will also have some type of guaranteed flow through agreements; in many cases these will include carrying over their company time for vacation and benefits. Anybody hired today, remaining at a regional for more than 8 years will be doing so by choice, unlike your generation that was simply stuck. They should expect 2-4 years as FO's and 2-4 years as CA's before flowing and being hired elsewhere.
There simply aren't enough pilots at all of the regionals combined to cover all of the mainline retirements over the next 10 years. Management knows this already. That is why they are downsizing their owned regionals, switching to larger airframes to keep the same or similar ASM's, and reduce the number of crews required. They will use their regionals as recruitment centers, keeping wages artificially low, likely to end up with issuing mainline DOH numbers and gurantee flow. The draw to work at the regional will be that you are hired at the mainline, just awaiting your class. With the retirement schedules, these programs will actually work correctly for once.
This is not the only profession that got turned upside down through stagnation. It happens in waves in many professions. It also unfortunately creates a large group of disgruntled folks (such as yourself) who can't stand that somebody coming in years after them will have a better career than they have. It's okay, we understand.... but we can't change it for you either.
The reality is that any pilot being hired into almost ANY regional is likely to spend very little time as an FO (compared to your generation), will upgrade quickly, and will have opportunity to move to a mainline carrier.
The regionals that are wholly owned will provide the fastest movement, since their senior FO's and CA's will not only be able to apply off the street to all majors, but will also have some type of guaranteed flow through agreements; in many cases these will include carrying over their company time for vacation and benefits. Anybody hired today, remaining at a regional for more than 8 years will be doing so by choice, unlike your generation that was simply stuck. They should expect 2-4 years as FO's and 2-4 years as CA's before flowing and being hired elsewhere.
There simply aren't enough pilots at all of the regionals combined to cover all of the mainline retirements over the next 10 years. Management knows this already. That is why they are downsizing their owned regionals, switching to larger airframes to keep the same or similar ASM's, and reduce the number of crews required. They will use their regionals as recruitment centers, keeping wages artificially low, likely to end up with issuing mainline DOH numbers and gurantee flow. The draw to work at the regional will be that you are hired at the mainline, just awaiting your class. With the retirement schedules, these programs will actually work correctly for once.
This is not the only profession that got turned upside down through stagnation. It happens in waves in many professions. It also unfortunately creates a large group of disgruntled folks (such as yourself) who can't stand that somebody coming in years after them will have a better career than they have. It's okay, we understand.... but we can't change it for you either.
08-24-2013, 09:24 AM
#1028
Underpaid...
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: French-Canadian
Posts: 2,101
Delta is set to fill their classes for 300 pilots at rate north of 50% of guys from flow programs. United is draining EXJ ERJ side apparently and AA told the Eagle pilots who don't have numbers to start thinking about making a decision to go or not go by Mid Sept for classes in November. I know that AA can open an app window rather quickly but they are talking about new hires in November and haven't open an app window and haven't heard much as far as hiring department. Many believe that AA will take many CA out of eagle rather quickly to decrease our longevity.
We still have CRJ TDY instructors and I understand that we are displacing CRJ pilots but why send so many ERJ instructors to the line? Why were the union boys so adamant about getting line qualified this summer, specially those that are senior-ish.
Earlier we heard about the AA Head CP coming to class and saying something along the lines of AA bringing 800 or so pilots from eagle in a 12-18 month period. We will see, but the emails yesterday and AA's lack of hiring department activity makes it seems like AA will do similar to Delta and drain certain regionals that will allow them to further squeeze cost out of the other regionals when the next adjustment rounds come in 2015 & 2016 respectively!
We still have CRJ TDY instructors and I understand that we are displacing CRJ pilots but why send so many ERJ instructors to the line? Why were the union boys so adamant about getting line qualified this summer, specially those that are senior-ish.
Earlier we heard about the AA Head CP coming to class and saying something along the lines of AA bringing 800 or so pilots from eagle in a 12-18 month period. We will see, but the emails yesterday and AA's lack of hiring department activity makes it seems like AA will do similar to Delta and drain certain regionals that will allow them to further squeeze cost out of the other regionals when the next adjustment rounds come in 2015 & 2016 respectively!
08-24-2013, 09:30 AM
#1029
Underpaid...
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: French-Canadian
Posts: 2,101
But all jokes aside, the sky is not falling as much as you paint it. They are struggling to replace the flying we currently are doing and know this will just get worse and like someone said RAH is a ticking bomb sadly for those employees, I think their management has set them up for long term failure and the main lines will drive RAH into BK. Not making the United Q400 contract and now struggling with AA's will not end up well.
08-25-2013, 08:12 PM
#1030
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 84
Hey guys I have a AE interview coming up and have a quick question. I have been hearing that alot of the guys get sent back home right from the start regarding paperwork/logbook issues. Can anyone elaborate on what are the specific issues AE sends the applicants back even before the interview has started. Not that I am anticipating any errors or paperwork issues but I would like to know why there are many guys being sent back based on paperwork issues so early. Thanks
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