HR Discrimination and Such
12-31-2012, 06:29 AM
#21
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I knew a pilot back in the '90's trying to get on with UAL. He couldn't get an interview after years of trying. Finally, he put "native american" on the application. He got an interview right away. At the interview they asked what tribe he was. He played dumb about it and was asked to leave.
I agree with your posts Otto. I have no problem with minorities being hired at majors, but how is it fair when you put any of the examples above and compare to your resume. That just says that they aren't looking at qualifications first.
Regarding your last sentence, if I really did put Native American on my resume and Yonited calls, I guess I could "research" and get a "rough history" of a tribe that my "ancestor" came from and vomit that stuff to them like info coming out of my mouth when practicing for an oral. I'm adopted (for real) and I really "believe" that is the case after my "research" so what could they say to me? You don't look Native American.
Regarding your last sentence, if I really did put Native American on my resume and Yonited calls, I guess I could "research" and get a "rough history" of a tribe that my "ancestor" came from and vomit that stuff to them like info coming out of my mouth when practicing for an oral. I'm adopted (for real) and I really "believe" that is the case after my "research" so what could they say to me? You don't look Native American.
When you can't produce that - off you go.
12-31-2012, 06:35 AM
#22
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Minority/women hiring
I *****ed about this constantly while I was at the regionals. When the last hiring wave (current one) started I was the second person in my company to get out. White male, older but not ancient, no training department, and one internal rec at the company I got hired at. Sometimes it seems to me there is no rhyme or reason to it. Please don't take this post to mean I don't think it doesn't happen, and happen a lot but you never know.........
12-31-2012, 06:57 AM
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OK, I'm sure there are some here that will disagree, however I and many others I know are aware that women and minorities go to the top of the resume pile at the majors and big boy freight haulers, as well as the regionals, nationals, etc.
That said, as a plain old American Caucasian I'm just one of the many swinging d**ks left in the pile that get sorted through after the above and then the "who you know" crowd as we also know that who you know is another way you make it in America.
Let's say I did some digging on my ancestry and "maybe" found some Cherokee in there way back when. So, now I'm an American Indian and damn proud. How is that going to sit if I list in on my resume when it asks the obligatory race question? The one that says you don't have to participate in and has no bearing on your application mind you.....right.
Does my resume get moved up toward the top?
That said, as a plain old American Caucasian I'm just one of the many swinging d**ks left in the pile that get sorted through after the above and then the "who you know" crowd as we also know that who you know is another way you make it in America.
Let's say I did some digging on my ancestry and "maybe" found some Cherokee in there way back when. So, now I'm an American Indian and damn proud. How is that going to sit if I list in on my resume when it asks the obligatory race question? The one that says you don't have to participate in and has no bearing on your application mind you.....right.
Does my resume get moved up toward the top?
It worked like a charm for Mr. Lyle Prouse. It should work for you too!
12-31-2012, 06:58 AM
#26
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As far as being Native American, I grew up in an area nestled between three reservations...(so I kinda have an idea) They get tribal ID cards. If I'm not mistaken, each reservation is considered to have it's own governing body. I wish I knew more actually.
And lastly, white people get "a little help" getting into educational institutions?! Since when!? Not snarky-just....really shocked.
Edit...as a little bit of trivia, tribes issue their own license plates. Folks not from the area might assume it's a plate from Canada or some far off place.
And lastly, white people get "a little help" getting into educational institutions?! Since when!? Not snarky-just....really shocked.
Edit...as a little bit of trivia, tribes issue their own license plates. Folks not from the area might assume it's a plate from Canada or some far off place.
Last edited by block30; 12-31-2012 at 07:12 AM.
12-31-2012, 07:35 AM
#27
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I say check the box, come up with a game plan for a story and rehearse it so much that it sounds natural rolling off your toungue. I always clicked other in my boxes and it got me an interview in 2008 and a offer until they stopped hiring and then immediately began to furlough. I brought my foreign passport to prove my other "1/8 latin mix" it worked for me. I look as white as they get.
12-31-2012, 08:07 AM
#29
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I was hired at UAL in 1997 with 5000 hrs of commuter (BE1900) and jet (B727) time, 2 internal recs, and a Bachelor's Degree. All 24 of us in my newhire class were white males. In my 15 years here I don't believe that we have hired any more 400 hr wonders. It is true, however, that in the early to mid 90's there were many low time minorities hired at UAL. They are all senior to me. Bottom line....IMHO, If you have a clean record, ample PIC time, a 4 yr degree or better, and internal recs, I think you will have your choice of Legacy jobs whether you are Cherokee or not. I also truly believe that the hiring "flood gates" are about to open again. If it makes you feel any better, I was an acquaintance of a female regional airline captain with several thousand hours of PIC in E145's and ATR's (might even have flown for your company), a 4 yr degree, and internal recs. She was turned down by UAL twice and by CAL once and ultimately ended up at CAL via a "flow through". Guess who she works for now as the result of a merger? I will know in about 5 months if she is to be senior to me. Lucky breaks have always superceded fairness in this profession. Good luck to you.
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12-31-2012, 08:24 AM
#30
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OK, I'm sure there are some here that will disagree, however I and many others I know are aware that women and minorities go to the top of the resume pile at the majors and big boy freight haulers, as well as the regionals, nationals, etc.
That said, as a plain old American Caucasian I'm just one of the many swinging d**ks left in the pile that get sorted through after the above and then the "who you know" crowd as we also know that who you know is another way you make it in America.
Let's say I did some digging on my ancestry and "maybe" found some Cherokee in there way back when. So, now I'm an American Indian and damn proud. How is that going to sit if I list in on my resume when it asks the obligatory race question? The one that says you don't have to participate in and has no bearing on your application mind you.....right.
Does my resume get moved up toward the top?
That said, as a plain old American Caucasian I'm just one of the many swinging d**ks left in the pile that get sorted through after the above and then the "who you know" crowd as we also know that who you know is another way you make it in America.
Let's say I did some digging on my ancestry and "maybe" found some Cherokee in there way back when. So, now I'm an American Indian and damn proud. How is that going to sit if I list in on my resume when it asks the obligatory race question? The one that says you don't have to participate in and has no bearing on your application mind you.....right.
Does my resume get moved up toward the top?
Sorry, but you're SOL. My wife's grandmother was 1/4 Cherokee indian and lived on the reservation in Cherokee, NC. According to her, tribal law says that you must be at least 1/4 Cherokee blood to be considered a Cherokee indian.
Go ahead and put down on the app that you are native american and expect to be booted out of the interview soon after arrival.
