lakehouse

I am not a big OT'er, I only snag those 7hr 50min day trips sometimes, esp if its 150% coverage. I do work a bit but I also work hard to maxing the contract, I flew under 800 hours total. Dont forget this is just a time building job so we got to fly! I still average 15 days off a month for the year as well.

lakehouse

A state school in the south is not bad if your not going for aviation. Zero to hero over 2-3 summers while in college at your local airport 61 from a guy who owns a plane and has a CFI is about $70k. Since people get college degrees from state schools now anyway as a glorified hs degree, that almost is a cost of living in this country and wanting to compete in any industry. FL state schools like UCF/USF or any other direction FL school are about $4000/yr for a liberal arts degree.

PilotJ3

Yes is a time building, I already have 1,400 in the Emb, but most of it I did it while on RSV, now is time to get back and relax!!! Hehehehehe hopefully if the movement starts like it should be in a month, we might see the left seat by!mid 2014. (Hopping for the best, planning for the worst)

Once I get to upgrade, then Ill work harder. For now is not worth it.

Ohhh and I don't do those transitions conflicts. Nothing against for the ones that like to do it.

Red Forman

So the guys back in the day that needed 3-4,000 hours to get on at a regional had it so much better than you who only need 1,500? Yeah, it sucks for you but stop complaining and get over it. I know it's not what is taught in school, but life ain't fair.

Red Forman

You have absolutely no options if you don't go to great lakes? There isn't a single other flying job available anywhere else in the country other than great lakes?

TeddyKGB

I think you have things backwards. Over the last 6 years it has never been easier to get a job as a regional FO. 300-500 hours and a high school diploma were all that were necessary. No commercial flying experience whatsoever was required. I couldn't even get Great Lakes to look at me when I had 1500/300. Several years of instructing after college was required for just about any regional. Eagle wouldn't even look at you unless you had 135 time no matter how much CFI time you had. I know the 1500 + ATP stuff kicks in soon but prior to that rule change it has never been an easier era to break into the 121 jobs.

Std Deviation

And let's not forget that most wanted that time and for you to pay 10K of your own cash for training - with no job or refund unless that training was successful. Some even charged for the simulator evaluation. When I was hired by a regional in 2000, thankfully that policy had vanished.

FlyJSH

Some charged an application fee $25 (about 2.5 hours instructing) just to have them toss it in the pile.

lakehouse

Well at Eagle, we have guys back to 2000 that were hired fairly low time. I know many Captains that were hired in 1999-2001 with not much higher mins then the last few years have had. So those guys were hired back in the 90s, and the vast majority of them had the chance to interview at major airlines, all 10 of them back then.

JohnnyG

Alright, we have a H.A.M. over here. I find it hard to believe that any generation had it this hard. You're not telling me anything new. People 'only' need ATP mins?

1. How many hours did you have before you manipulated the controls of your first turbine aircraft?

2. How many hours did you have when you got your first 'real' job that wasn't instructing, banner towing or otherwise similar?

3. How much did your flight training cost?

4. Were there hours to be had when you were building time?

There are a lot of success stories out there right now, but most people can't get hours because people can't afford flight training, and that's after they shelled out their own 70K plus for flight training. That 70K doesn't adjust for inflation, neither does the 14K they will make.

You sound like the old timers that call the newer generation of veterans wimps when most young vets spent more than the entire duration of major US involvement in WWII deployed.

YOU get over it. Just because you want to think that new people have things easy doesn't mean you're right.