Majors taking back flying?
12-22-2012, 07:39 AM
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12-22-2012, 07:41 AM
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And when was that? Tons of those CRJ100/200's were due millions in engine overhauls before the contracts expired. If DAL management dumped millions into those CRJ's, do you think they'd just park them as soon as the contract was up? There absolutely MUST be a return on the investment. Therefore, they would've continued to fly them.
12-22-2012, 07:43 AM
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I'm not sure what this has to do with what I was saying?
12-22-2012, 07:47 AM
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Your claim is that Delta pilots didn't score a scope victory. I disagree. Your claim that management was simply going to park the 50 seaters anyway is pure conjecture. Delta had contracts to honor, including paying for engine overhauls on many of the CRJ200's in the DCI fleet. If they spent said money, they would need to utilize those aircraft until they received a return on their investment.
12-22-2012, 07:57 AM
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That just on the Skywest side or is that going to be a split between SKW and the XJT side of things? Also, isnt SKW just putting those birds onto AE flying? I also thought 125 was the lower cap of 50 seaters for Delta...those numbers would make like you said less than 125. I only ask to see how bad the 'hurt' will be to the 'Skywest umbrella'.
12-22-2012, 08:26 AM
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That just on the Skywest side or is that going to be a split between SKW and the XJT side of things? Also, isnt SKW just putting those birds onto AE flying? I also thought 125 was the lower cap of 50 seaters for Delta...those numbers would make like you said less than 125. I only ask to see how bad the 'hurt' will be to the 'Skywest umbrella'.
12-22-2012, 08:39 AM
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Your claim is that Delta pilots didn't score a scope victory. I disagree. Your claim that management was simply going to park the 50 seaters anyway is pure conjecture. Delta had contracts to honor, including paying for engine overhauls on many of the CRJ200's in the DCI fleet. If they spent said money, they would need to utilize those aircraft until they received a return on their investment.
I'm sure you scored a victory in the sense that SKW won't be flying 777's to Istanbul, Even holding the line is note worthy in today's climate but I don't think management gave up much that didn't fit in with their fleet plans anyway.
I think they got rid of red ink (en-efficient 50's), which translates to a balance sheet gain. They were able to synchronize that with your contract, so they got two for the price of one...improved efficiency and got some negotiating capital to boot.
12-22-2012, 08:52 AM
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Your claim is that Delta pilots didn't score a scope victory. I disagree. Your claim that management was simply going to park the 50 seaters anyway is pure conjecture. Delta had contracts to honor, including paying for engine overhauls on many of the CRJ200's in the DCI fleet. If they spent said money, they would need to utilize those aircraft until they received a return on their investment.
A victory, yes... but moderate.
12-22-2012, 09:59 AM
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I suspect they never would get a return on that investment, good money after bad.
I'm sure you scored a victory in the sense that SKW won't be flying 777's to Istanbul, Even holding the line is note worthy in today's climate but I don't think management gave up much that didn't fit in with their fleet plans anyway.
I think they got rid of red ink (en-efficient 50's), which translates to a balance sheet gain. They were able to synchronize that with your contract, so they got two for the price of one...improved efficiency and got some negotiating capital to boot.
I'm sure you scored a victory in the sense that SKW won't be flying 777's to Istanbul, Even holding the line is note worthy in today's climate but I don't think management gave up much that didn't fit in with their fleet plans anyway.
I think they got rid of red ink (en-efficient 50's), which translates to a balance sheet gain. They were able to synchronize that with your contract, so they got two for the price of one...improved efficiency and got some negotiating capital to boot.
12-22-2012, 10:00 AM
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Guys I hate to rain on the warm fuzzies but regional flying is growing not shrinking! The only thing that is shrinking is the number of pilots and aircraft.
Take DCI, yes they are shrinking the fleet of regional aircraft but there is an increase in total regional lift seats. That equals growth! Delta sells seats not airplanes so....
There is a nice write up on it over at JC in the airline section.
I guess I should also say that once you take into account the 717 seats at mainline the regionals are not really "growing" but they are not shrinking by any means.
Take DCI, yes they are shrinking the fleet of regional aircraft but there is an increase in total regional lift seats. That equals growth! Delta sells seats not airplanes so....
There is a nice write up on it over at JC in the airline section.
I guess I should also say that once you take into account the 717 seats at mainline the regionals are not really "growing" but they are not shrinking by any means.
R2P,
As was already pointed out DCI seats are actually decreasing, not increasing. But remember, Pilot jobs correlate directly with air-frames not with seats so airframes is still a very important metric no matter how you look at it.
Another important metric that you allude to is passengers (seats). When we signed this TA DCI was flying about 45% of our domestic passengers. When the 717s are up and running and the 50 seaters are reduced DCI will be flying about 35% of our domestic passengers.
To me that 45% down to 35% is the most important metric.
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