lolwut

Management, and ALPA, has threatened you guys that you'll be out of jobs if you don't take pay cuts. Don't give in to this.


The ultimate plan for Pinnacle has already been decided. Do you really think some little pilot group's contract is going to alter the future course Delta has set for its Connection operation? Of course not. They already know what they're going to do, who is going to fly what, and so on. Look back on history... hindsight is 20/20 and you can see that decisions like this are made YEARS ahead of time and then everything falls into place. This is a plan that has already been put into action and you're just waiting to see what the final result is.... but know one thing, that final result has already been decided. Be it shut down, lose planes, gain planes, etc.


All you do if you take cuts is hurt yourselves and your fellow pilots. The bar will be once again lowered for the industry. If you continue to operate, you'll be working under subpar concessions. Don't give in, don't let them scare you, don't let your union scare you, and don't let your fellow pilots scare you. Your fate has already been decided, so stand strong and fight the good fight. Full pay to the last day.

Phuz

Easier said than done, with mouths to feed and bills to pay I can understand why a person decides to take something over nothing. That said, board room executives know they are puting you in this dilema, and they think they know what you will do. I am dissapointed alpa supports ther agenda and cant even see 5 years down the road. It was the executives who put 9e in the place it is today, they accepted contracts and they merged companies. Are they starting over at 25k/yr and 80hrs a week away from home?

Our weakness is the fact that nobody in the rj business can afford to take 2 or 3 years without steady work, management both regional and major knows that and they are attempting to exploit it further here than ever before. You can choose to take major concessions, and show business school types that pilots are indeed simply line item labor, or you can slog it out for a few years turning wrenches at discount tire and delivering appliances for sears until the majors start calling. Either way you all are resourceful people and will find a way to feed your families, and either way we'd all better turn the screws to these blowhards at the first available opportunity.

FlyJSH

It is easier said than done. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Think of the Rednecks (as in the UMW, not the slang) who fought against the company store. Many of them suffered and died to try to bring a safe and decently paid working environment to the mines.

I am NOT a union man. I hate having to form an adversarial group to fight for compensation equal to our efforts.

But....


I am reminded of a parable. It is the story of two farmers and their plow horses. One farmer drove his horse hard. He worked the horse every day from dawn to dusk and only fed him cast off hay. The second farmer worked his horse hard, but he gave the horse a day of rest each week and fed him the best oats. The first farmer had a huge harvest the first year, but come the winter, the horse died. The second farmer had a smaller crop, but his horse served him many years. In the end, the second farmer grew richer and his horse was happy to serve him.

All I want it to be treated like a valued plow horse.

Honorable pay for honorable work. No concessions.

I, for one, choose honor.

UCLAbruins

Delta is doing well, those pilots have a good contract, good salaries.

Meanwhile Delta is asking its connection carriers for more in return for less. That also means much less for the already under-paid pilots. This is so unfair is not even funny

I'm disgusted with the airline industry

UCLAbruins

WOW, that's a very optimistic point of view.....

Quick question, how long have you been in this industry?

McNugent

Look at what Delta is doing to its regional ground handling. They don't care about people. They care about what the bean counters say. Unfortunately like others have said, Pinnacle's fate is already decided, and it might not necessarily be bad. Keep your heads up, stay proud and be professionals. You're a good bunch of folks at 9E. We're pullin for ya.

ShyGuy

Close to 500 pilots have already left Pinnacle in 2012 alone. These aren't lifers leaving, they were mid to junior level CAs and mostly FOs. The problem with 9E now is that with the Mesaba merger, the amount of lifers went up a lot. When given the choice of shutting down altogether or taking pay cuts, they'll cave in. Too much time vested in the company. So when the time comes to vote, most of the ****ed off guys have already left. Those still left are either lifers or those still trying to get out. I think the lifers will outweigh the others and get a concessionary contract to pass. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my words, but if history is any lesson, the die has already been cast by Delta. This isn't a "iceberg! Dead ahead!". This is 1 HR after the iceberg already hit, the water is filling, and there aren't enough lifeboats.

stoki

This is a disgusting industry.

And the people running it are even more hideous.

How can you even get paycuts and concessions from a regional? Is that possible? Is there anything to even cut pay from? Complete BS, and it's sickening.

The TA will pass, I have little doubts about it. Because, alas, we are pilots, and easy to ****.

IBPilot

it's funny how so many people are "shut her down" internet toughys when it's not THEIR airline, and when it is their airline you hear no such talk from them.

Skypilotsv1984

I work there, 5 years of seniority and I say shut it down.