Boomer

Freedom's 12 CRJ900s went straight to Pinnacle in 2008.

And then went to XJ and ASA...

FlyJSH

So, the net gain will be about 240 pilots (or roughly a 2% increase)? IF the others "Legacy" carriers can follow suit and add 2%, that is only another 600 new slots. If the LLCs do likewise, that is an addition 250 slots. Cargo companies, and maybe another couple hundred..

So IF EVERYBODY grows as much as it APPEARS Delta will, there might be enough openings to re-employ about half of the Pinnacle folks after we go tango uniform.* Yeah, how about that pilot shortage!

Hey, it's great you are taking back some jobs: G#d bless y'all. But the reality is, for some of us old farts, it's too little, too late.




*Sorry Comair folks, I would have put you guys ahead of us, but I couldn't remember how many of you there were.

Boomer

There were 2000 pilots when the hurt began.

There were 650 pilots when the hurt ended.

80ktsClamp

FlyJSH- 796 minus 720= 76.

Times ~10 pilots per plane= 760(+) more pilots than now.

johnso29

Not quite. At the time the ISL was announced we had 12,434 pilots. We are now down to 11,796 pilots. That's 638 less pilots. We are looking at 20 planes more then we had at the time of the merger. So we are looking at over 800 new positions.

gojo

I've been hearing for a while now that Delta was over staffed since the merger. So I don't think your estimate of 800 positions is very accurate. Just saying.... Also, it seems your vision is very narrow. You seem to defend Delta for all their business decisions, and to me it appears that you have forgotten where you came from. Congratulations to you for getting hired at mother Delta, but working for Delta may not be everyone's dream. The scope of Deltas actions is a lot bigger than adding 200 or so positions. Try looking at the thousands of people that lose their jobs because of greedy investors, or all the smaller communities that lose their service because of Deltas egotistical view on prop airplanes. I hear all the time from Delta pilots how the regionals should have stayed commuter and never been given jets. Now, I ask you this, how is this possible with Deltas view on turboprops? The regionals took many years to get to the level they are at now, and Deltas expedited reduction is hurting a lot of good people, and good families. What is the rush? You say it's just business, and maybe that's the way it is now. But not that long ago employers used to show compassion, and not just look at the almighty dollar

80ktsClamp

johnso isnt far off....

We were a bit overstaffed at 12454 at the merger for 767 planes. Now we are the same overstaffed at 11796 for 720 planes.

Taking the airline to 796 airplanes...


And, gojo- the fact is that outsourcing to the regionals is way overdone. What was sowed is now being reaped, unfortunately at the (temporary) expense of the pilots who either chose to stay there or many who are stuck.

FlyJSH

Okay, I get that. The 638 that left, how many of those would like to come back? How many have left for good? So, from the time of the merger, until whenever these last 20 planes are on the ramp, the net increase in jobs is 200 ish, about 70 per year, or roughly 0.6%. Looking at retirement numbers over the next 5-10 years, across the board, about 2-3% per year will go. At that rate, it will be too late for many of us who refuse to go back to ramen noodles just to stay current.

I guess this nearly fifty year old is just feeling a little sorry for himself. I would have been perfectly happy flying my dirty old Saab until either her (or my) wheels fell off. Unfortunately, that won't happen.

etflies

You know the Saab would've out lasted even the youngest on the seniority list!

80ktsClamp

None. Since those are gone for good. Retirements and such....


...and we've got a few more days until the Age 65 stagnation ends.....