jumpseat2024

If AA merges or we're divested the furlough protections cover 95% of the pilots...you sound like a 'no' voter that really has no idea what's going on

SebastianDesoto

I apologize if I have a misunderstanding here. I did give the TA a read and admit to not being clear on it, so I utilized the ALPA presentations and previous conference calls to clarify. Answer me this: is all the furlough protection, merge/divest or wholly owned based on aircraft numbers?

I will gladly admit having a misunderstanding here. But that's what I gathered from available resources. The understanding comes from the scope section of the presentation.

buddies8

your right and jumpseat is wrong. it is all based on aircraft the company is using for feed only. 10 airplanes 90 pilots 200 airplanes 1800 pilots. simple math

how dumb is management, you think because you have 3000 pilots and only 200 airplanes fro 1800 pilots that AMR/AE or whatever it is called is going to carry 1200 pilots on the pay roll because you misinterpreted what was being said and written.

this is the logic the yes votes use, we are all going to get screwed over again because of lack of a spine.

But what the heck, only 9 more days and we will all see how the fear machine from alpa and management has worked. Pass this TA and you will see more outsourcing on the very next day the vote count is made public. LAX was the beginning, DFW has a new player in town, ORD has CHQ only NY and MIA left with out outsourced flying.

But what would one expect from a pilot group that bends over backwards on a daily basis because of fear of the company and knowledge ALPA sucks to protect them.

VOTE YES, you will not be the one left laughing, I will.

DENpilot

Hahaha....you talk like you're mainline. Get off your high horse. You are outsourced flying whether you would like to admit it or not. You are a pawn in all this and just because AE has had a monopoly on AMR flying doesn't mean you or anyone else but mainline is entitled to it.

buddies8

i am not on a high horse, but it seems as you are and would step on anyone. first your misconception as to who owns the flying. AMR owns the flying, just because AA is the main player in the corporation does not mean they own it, as they own less than half there airplanes.

For now the company i work for is owned by the company who owns the brand name and all flying, where as you are a sub contractor owned by a separate corporation from the one who owns the brand name and flying. Leagaleeze, but true never the less.

AA is a brand name as is AE. Both will be outsourced to other companies to fly the AA and AE brand. AMR will sell the tickets. It is that simple. Just like your American iphone and ipad, made and manufactured in china. You by a brand name manufactured by someone else. Same as the airlines they are moving to selling the brand.

Why would anyone want to come to AE since from the union leadership we are to be sold off, our flying for the corporation will be decreased as it is farmed out to other feeders. Less flying and less jobs required at AE, this is what the union has said. Average reduction of 100 planes from the fleet which we do not own anymore thanks to the union. Furlough is the name of the game starting Feburaray 2013. So why does anyone want to come and be here except to play thre game get some time and move on.

dirtysidedown

Basically they are hiring furlough fodder, hire a bunch of newbies, keep them around for cheap labor then get rid of them later on. This has been done time and time again, but nobody seems to get it.

SebastianDesoto

Well, let's not go too far. It is very expensive to train. I don't think anyone expects real growth at Eagle. All indications are to shrinking. I think they do expect attrition. But that will not be from the top anytime soon. For future employees, this is definitely a risk. A lottery ticket, if you will.

I have read the TA, a couple times. I am a no voter. And I admit to not knowing what's going on. But I highly suspect yes voters know, either.

jumpseat2024

They got the projected fleet plan based on the furlough protections. I believe it's 2000 give or take. That scenario is if Eagle remains wholly owned. With appx 500 inactive pilots, plus we're apparently losing 20-25/mo..most of the current seniority list will be covered.

I'm not making this up..it's black and white in the TA. Now is there a way they could weasel their way out of it? Possibly..but YES=a chance at protection, NO=zero...simple math

jumpseat2024

Also forgot to add, at the roadshow they said the 205-216 plane fleet plan they got using the 9.6 pilots/plane is inaccurate. They wouldn't (or can't) give specifics, but they said it's more planes than that..again, take it FWIW..I'm just the messenger

buddies8

thanks jumpseat2024.

question asked my lec rep in 1996, i hear you guys are negotiating a long term contract in the range of 20 years? LEC rep answer, no way are we negotiating a 20 year contract. Did he lie or did he just answer the part of the question that suited him?

point making is the same as your reference in FWIW. Remember now American Eagle is a brand name and anyone can fly under the brand name. So when they talk about American Eagle, more safer to ask Simmons or Executive Airlines fleet plan. American Eagle brand will be 400 airplane, but what does that mean to Simmons and Executive Airlines the current AMERICAN EAGLE AIRLINES..

Simple twist and play on words, but that is enough to misdirect.