Red97Vette

Who has better pay and work rules? Also, incase you are blind, everyone has a lot of 50's (other than tiny compass or gojetsssss).
Those old 50's will get swapped to 70/90s and the fleet will be reduced. That's happening everywhere. At least we are not flying at a loss just to get in the door.

afterburn81

XJT pay sux. However, it sux less than many. There is no excuse for bragging about or having pride in do someone else's lost flying. That shows a complete lack of class. Rest assured that if XJT does any PNCL flying, Delta will pay for it. I highly doubt that XJT will do it for less. The only people that stand a chance of loosing money is management here.

The same goes for Eagle flying. Skywest INC is just as expensive if not more than the Eagle group is. Pay scales and contracts are pretty close. So again it can only be management taking the loss.

In the case of the Eagle flying it appears as if AMR wanted to expand to other regional carriers at the cost of Eagle but will be giving more American flying to Eagle. So Eagle doesn't appear to be losing any flying. Just some major reshuffling which is an inconvenience and a loss to some having to relocate.

This is a completely different scenario than before when MESA and Gojetz were screwing everyone.

I'm sorry to all of the Pinnacle people affected by this. I truly feel for you.

Fly782

You are correct everyone has 50s but the fact is you may end up being in the unemployment line with the 9E guys you keep talking down to, just for a different reason. I was talking to a good friend recently, he was much happier with Pinnacolaba's contract and pay ( obviously going away but it was better than XJT). XJT is not the greatest place on earth, your guys' day will come.

Avroman

When I got laid off in the sham bankruptcy of 06 I was getting about 90% on unemployment, when factoring in no longer having commuting costs and not eating on the road, I was better off unemployed. Now granted that wouldn't be the case today with current captain pay but with the coming downgrade and if the company gets the full 1113, yes I would rather be back on unemployment than working as an FO under those conditions.
My vote will be NO to any concessions.

Airsupport

unfortunately I don't think we will get a chance to vote on anything.

Red97Vette

I'm not talking down to them. I'm saying that I hope they don't get the term sheet imposed on them. I'd it does it will drag everyone down.

MunkyButtr

I doubt an 1113 imposition will hurt anyone besides 9E pilots. When was the last time an 1113 was used in negotiations? Mediators aren't stupid. If mgmt gets everything it wants this company won't last through '13. Most of the pilots at 9E are providers for their families. In most cases the only provider. I have faith that our guys will do what is needed to provide for their families. That will be near impossible for the bottom half of the list with this 1113. If staying at 9E works for them they will stay, unfortunately I think a lot of guys won't have a choice.

dc10guy

So you are happy taking American flying though.

ShyGuy

Regardless of the bickering, it is a crappy situation to be in. Good luck to Pinnacle pilots, and hopefully they will land flying opportunities at other companies.

The Juice

Ahhh, the age old question.

Can Mainline flying actually be "taken"
or was it simply "given?"