nols899

1. We are a pilot staffing agency..there would be no other people if there were not pilots.

2. Clearly management does not care about the pilots thus they do not care about other employee groups.

Burn it to the ground might be a little harsh. How about fight for a fair contract and whatever happens, happens.

PerpetualFlyer

So the pilots are supposed to bend over and take it in the rear just so everyone else can keep their 9-5 job with weekends and holidays off? No thanks. Also, it sets the bar for regional pilots everywhere, in the end affecting way more pilots than the other employees at one airline.

MunkyButtr

Sadly, I think the bar has been removed from all airline employees. What happened when TSA tried to raise the bar? GoJets. What happened when Comair tried to raise the bar? 9/29 (RIP Comair). What happened when Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan tried to raise the bar? BK. What happened when AA tried to hold the bar? No contract. I could keep going, but this raise the bar talk is pointless. There is no bar. As soon as we raise the bar or get near it management has tools in their bag to remove it. BK, alter-egos, cancelled contracts. Management teams are NOT scared of the pilots or their unions so long as they always have an out. I have yet to see a unionized pilot group have an out. Look at SkyWest, every time management tries to pull a fast one on them they start a union drive and management backs down. Airline managers will play along with the RLA and collective bargaining game until it shrinks their bonuses and dividends and then they'll cry bankruptcy or just start another airline. Regional Elite was replaced by DGS. Those employees didn't even have to re interview for their jobs, they were just rolled into the new company.

I am not saying to give up and give in, but as long as management can do whatever it takes to get what it wants we are powerless. We can attempt to bargain for a new contract, but as long as the company has the option of a judge to throw our contract out why would they negotiate? It's already obvious they'll take their chances with the judge. At the rate they're spending money I wouldn't be surprised if our contract becomes toilet paper. We need help from the law makers, but unfortunately they're on vacation and can't even seem to get a hold of their own agenda.

I don't agree with the let it burn philosophy. I think a concentrated effort needs to be focused on the ones who put us here. Why should we be punished and put on the streets because of what 5 people have or haven't been able to do? Burning it down is the easy way out and only hurts the employees. JS and his team will be just fine. Heck, they'll probably come out on top. Burning it down is the easy way out. Management will be just fine either way, but what happens to us?

MunkyButtr

For the good of the industry? Is that so you have one less to hinder your already 8 year negotiating session? I'd like to see yours burn to the ground for letting 99 seat airplanes into the regional market being flown for $37/hour.

BIGRIG

Excuse me.......would you like to pay my mortgage? How about pay for my kids day care? I hope you get fired and can't make a living. Not very nice of me to say that is it?

tom14cat14

I am glad some of you see why i am getting irritated by the burn it down attitude. We all took jobs that undercut the majors. So if we really want to do something for the industry we have to burn down all of the regionals, any airlines that pays less then 737 rates or Delta WB rates. So sorry US air, United, AA, Spirit, and almost every other airline. You are all hurting the industry so you should go on unemployment or leave the industry.

FlyingKat

That's real easy to say when you're not the one who has to figure out how to support your family when the place shuts down. Karma can be a wicked in this business my friend, I'd be careful what you say or wish on others.

Red97Vette

If they get the 1113 and everything they ask, it will set a precedent that will be dangerous for the whole industry. Everyone gets screwed. Even if they get what they ask, I think PNCL will still be in trouble. Incompetent management will shut it down. Always have a plan B, "feeding the family" is always the cop out. Unemployment pays %60 of your old pay, have savings, interview other places, hope for the best. Dont screw thousands of others because of your obligations that EVERYONE else has too.

The Juice

Unemployment DOES NOT lay 60% of your old pay. It varies state by state.

60%? Not even close

Red97Vette

My bad, its probably closer to %30-40