Pinnacle Reveals Tenuous Nature ... (Article)
#151
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Nope the top of a regional airline seniority list collects substandard pilots over time. Say a class of 10 newhires is hired and the best 9 of them are able to move on to something better, only the bottom 1 remains. That bottom 1 continues to move up the list as the "best 9" from other newhire classes also leaves. Over time these "bottom 1"s who can't move on to anywhere better end up collecting at the top. This results in the bottom of the list having roughly 10% substandard pilots and the top of the list heading towards 100% substandard pilots.
This is where the term "lifer" comes from.
This is where the term "lifer" comes from.
#152
God, country, family..................Then Job in that order. Love working in my church, love my wife of 32 years and proud of my kids, did my time in the last 20+ years in the military in including Afghanistan and other austere places. If that makes me a lifer so be it.
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#154
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Hardly 'outed.' Posts were the same from the airlinkpilots and here, it wouldn't have taken a genious to figure that out. I had to play denial mode until I left that place, just to keep it safe. You know, trying to avoid those crazy types who might take this stuff personal and take it to a higher up. I had those threats, too.
There were plenty. No one knows the exact number of pilots who applied, but there were people not applying to Northwest, Airtran, Continental, because they wanted Delta, Fedex, UPS, or United. At least it seemed the good guys were always getting out.
You have me confused, I wasn't part of the failed checkrides and DUI crowd as reasons for RJ guys not moving on. That was posted by others. I've also stated before that family is most important, and comes first. It seems you agree with that same sentiment. My only point was against those that considered themselves 'above' certain employers, with comments like "I didn't sepnd 8 yrs here to end up at a place like [xxxx]." They didn't mention family, at that point it just sounds like and came off as ego.
How many major positions were open vs how many regional, 91 and military pilots applied? Don't answer with "every major except American was hiring."
I, along with many others, have been saying this for years. I say I won't move to China to break up my family, then get knocked for it. Or get accused of "hogging a seat" by those entitled. Or can't get hired because I have "too many DUI's and busted checkrides or must be some skeleton in the closet" from the me me me peanut gallery. My QOL and family come first, not yours. Seriously Shy, we don't care what you think about our career decisions. Apparently you can't sleep at night without knowing you "made better career decisions" (in your eyes) than someone else, who you do not even know, and feel the need to state that to the world before you tuck yourself in. Take your own advice..."to each his own" and don't worry about my career, I'll do just fine whatever it is thanks!
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#157
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I'm not in the crowd making accusations of people staying back because of DUIs or failed checkrides. I never made a remarkable intelligent career choice. Like 80ktsclamp said, I just applied everywhere, throwing the darts out, and seeing what sticks. The reason being that the regional model is broke, there's no future left in it, and 9E was subject to major cuts. I don't care if one doesn't want to move on, it's less competition for those who do. Regardless, these are all opinions, nothing more. One should respond back with their opinions, as most have done, but a few have resorted to threats, and that's uncalled for.
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I'm not in the crowd making accusations of people staying back because of DUIs or failed checkrides. I never made a remarkable intelligent career choice. Like 80ktsclamp said, I just applied everywhere, throwing the darts out, and seeing what sticks. The reason being that the regional model is broke, there's no future left in it, and 9E was subject to major cuts. I don't care if one doesn't want to move on, it's less competition for those who do. Regardless, these are all opinions, nothing more. One should respond back with their opinions, as most have done, but a few have resorted to threats, and that's uncalled for.
wow......you really are something else. I had an ounce of respect for you until now. A few months ago you were whining that you were outed, then come on here and criticize people who send you threatening messages, and *****ing that "the union" outed you, so today you send me a PM with my name on it and "threaten" to out me for writing a civilized post??????? Not that I give a rats *ss 1/2 the people here know who I am and the other half, I don't go around ****ing them off like you do just to feel better about myself. You wanna play hardball, go for it...
#159
I'm not in the crowd making accusations of people staying back because of DUIs or failed checkrides. I never made a remarkable intelligent career choice. Like 80ktsclamp said, I just applied everywhere, throwing the darts out, and seeing what sticks. The reason being that the regional model is broke, there's no future left in it, and 9E was subject to major cuts. I don't care if one doesn't want to move on, it's less competition for those who do. Regardless, these are all opinions, nothing more. One should respond back with their opinions, as most have done, but a few have resorted to threats, and that's uncalled for.
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Mooney, I have never outted anyone publicly on this forum, and rest assured, I will not do that.
Why don't you give the whole story?
1. Delta1067 wrote some negative comments in regards to me on a thread.
2. Seeing how he was a Delta pilot, and couldn't have known me, I PMed asking what he had heard about me to gain that conclusion?
3. He sent me a PM back and told me what he had received. He did not share a name. *I did not ask him to PM anyone about me. He shared with me what someone had said about me.*
4. After reading that message, I knew right away from the attack spewed that it had to be you, IBPilot.
5. So I PMed you with a copy of that attack speech, and said "really?" And then you admit to it that you went overboard.
You are some person talking about not being 5th grade. I'm not the one going behind your back and PMing others what a guy IBPilot really is. That was all you.
Originally Posted by IBPilot
I wasn't gonna say anything about this, but after seeing these 2 posts Shy has just gone off the deep end and I've had enough too. Just a warning that I did not heed the first time. Shy has been having "friends" of his PM people (myself included) to see what they say about him. Those people then forward the "private message" back to Shy, and Shy will forward it to you. Shy this isn't 5th grade.
1. Delta1067 wrote some negative comments in regards to me on a thread.
2. Seeing how he was a Delta pilot, and couldn't have known me, I PMed asking what he had heard about me to gain that conclusion?
3. He sent me a PM back and told me what he had received. He did not share a name. *I did not ask him to PM anyone about me. He shared with me what someone had said about me.*
4. After reading that message, I knew right away from the attack spewed that it had to be you, IBPilot.
5. So I PMed you with a copy of that attack speech, and said "really?" And then you admit to it that you went overboard.
You are some person talking about not being 5th grade. I'm not the one going behind your back and PMing others what a guy IBPilot really is. That was all you.
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