Pinnacle Reveals Tenuous Nature ... (Article)
10-05-2012, 09:34 AM
#132
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When each corporation only gets two? It isn't considered a revolving door, but it absolutely has proven to be an effective tool to demolish union contracts. It really no longer requires a company to be at death's doorstep (AMR with 5B in cash), where only the minimum necessary changes get made. In today's corporate first driven culture (vs. populace first), the worker takes the vast brunt of each blow in the process. More of a rape with a gun to your head and the "authorities" looking the other way with plenty of coin in their pocket if you ask me.
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10-05-2012, 12:15 PM
#133
Da Hudge
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I was jumpseating on delta no too long ago and the captain said there may be a problem getting the 717's. Any truth to that? I thought all 100 of the 73 900's you guys were getting were going to replace the 757's. If that turns out to be true, is Delta still going to be able to get all 70 of the 76 seaters? I'm hoping all the stuff I'm hearing about Delta not hiring until 2014 proves to be false.
The 900s are to replace the oldest A320s and 757s... though it seems the 5500 series 757s (which they are slated to replace) have added life in them like the DC-9s. As has happened multiple times before, they are now slated to stick around longer.
10-05-2012, 12:17 PM
#134
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My personal belief, which may or may not be correct, is American foresees the biggest majority of their pilots retiring due to the 65 rule. In order to TREMENDOUSLY rake in profits they decide to get the labor done cheaper by outsourcing more flying to regionals. American is now going to get more of their domestic flying done for much less by the regionals instead of a massive flow of pilots flowing up their mainline to do it. So they declare, when it probably could have been avoided.
10-05-2012, 01:59 PM
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One thing your argument is forgetting is that most senior guys are not single or newly married 20 somethings without kids that can just contract away on the far side of the world. Do that when you are married with kids, and you will soon find that after the divorce you have less take home pay than a year 1 FO. Most senior guys I know, myself included, don't have to fly so bad that we would want, need or take an overseas gig. There are other options out there.
10-05-2012, 02:49 PM
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You will be surprise how many CA are still "holding out" for Delta, Fed Ex and and so on. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm sure it's best for their family or whatever reason.
10-05-2012, 03:04 PM
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Glad he is holding out for some brass ring, allowing the pilots who don't have an entitlement attitude to move on.
If you were 'brass ring airlines HR', would you invite '8 year RJ Captain' or '4 year Airbus/Boeing FO' to your last interview slot?
10-05-2012, 04:10 PM
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Mooney, even after 9/11, up to 2008, every single airline was hiring except American. Some of the biggest hiring was done by LCCs. JetBlue was hiring tons and constantly for their growth. Spirit was also hiring a good amount, as was VA. I have to say, the majority of guys I flew with openly said they were 'holding out' for a bigger carrier/legacy airline/Fedex/UPS. There wasn't much interest in the LCCs. Those that wanted to go to those LCCs did escape to them, for the most part. Only now once 9E is totally screwed did people finally hit the eject-to-any-airline button. In the words of one Captain, "I haven't spent 8 years here to end up at a place like Spirit or VA." [No joke, that was an actual quote, pre-bankruptcy, in January before I left].
10-05-2012, 08:30 PM
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Everything that captain said was validated at the time. They weren't lucky enough to have your famous crystal ball. For all we knew the hiring was going to continue like it did in 07. A rebound from 9/11 if you will. Nobody saw the recession coming. By the way, if you haven't been paying attention this recession was the worst since the great depression and hit the airlines extremely hard. Those captains had every right to hold out for somewhere that actually WANTED to go because it looked like it would happen. Hind sight being what it is now people are going where ever they can. I guarantee had 08 not happened 90% of the people who went to spirit and va wouldn't have gone. You can't fault these guys for taking a gamble they didn't know would lose. I've only flown with a handful of captains who weren't actively trying to get out, even before bk.
10-05-2012, 08:57 PM
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I guess to each his own. To me, it sounded a little arrogant for a guy making $59/hr as a 3-rd yr RJ Captain putting Spirit, VA, and JetBlue down because he was 'holding out' for [fill in the blank]. In fact, the majority of pilots "holding out" are still holding out, with no calls from anyone. Yes, because Fedex and Delta are just going hire them on a silver platter. Classic example is the MEM club that have stated numerous times it's either Fedex or stay at Pinnacle for good. It'll be interesting to see what happens when MEM closes.
If you knew who that was you may tuck your ego, quickly. If you knew his wife was the openly said "sugar momma" with a little one who gets tucked in every night by daddy you may see the money just puts gas in the truck. Once again, you are viewing everyone through only your eyes without knowing what is really going on. Your mind may explode to know that many guys have side businesses that make far more than their flying jobs at 9E.
Enjoy VA, and move on.
Feel free to flame, I'll still wish you the best because you only know enough to keep the rest entertained.
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