Aero Crew Job Fair Saturday 8th in ORD
09-09-2012, 05:35 PM
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Sorry to stray off topic but......
Hundreds of people in line and you gotta pay to get in. I thought there was a pilot shortage or something. Sounds more like a job shortage to me. I was told a year and a half ago from many reputable people that I would be in a really really good position with-in a year or so. Guess I missed something.
Hundreds of people in line and you gotta pay to get in. I thought there was a pilot shortage or something. Sounds more like a job shortage to me. I was told a year and a half ago from many reputable people that I would be in a really really good position with-in a year or so. Guess I missed something.
There were regionals there; PSA, XJT, GoJets, Compass, Commutair, Great Lakes, Cape Air. And for those places, it's more than likely CFI's, etc trying to move up. They probably don't have JS/NR privileges, nor the funds to pay for a ticket/hotel to attend. Hence the lines at the regional desks were not that long, if any at all.
There was Kalitta, Atlas, and Spirit. You can easily deduce who the major draws were. And yes, depending on when you got there/got in line, the wait could exceed 2+ hours.
However, IF, and I'm just saying IF Delta, SW, FedEx, United, USAir, etc where there two things could likely be deduced;
1) The attendance would have been higher, MUCH HIGHER and
2) The wait times probably wouldn't have been quite the same for basically 2 companies. Or rather more spread out.
Just seeing some friends and meeting some people, there were pilots from a wide range of backgrounds. Guys with jobs looking to move on guys with jobs about to get furloughed, and guys that have been furloughed. COMAIR, Southern, World, Pinnacle, TSA, furloughed frac pilots, DHL, etc etc etc....................
Overall I thought it was good. As far as the question of whether or not it helps, who REALLY knows? It's all subjective/relative. Sure, it puts a face to the resume/app.
But more importantly, it probably doesn't HURT an applicant one bit.
09-09-2012, 06:42 PM
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True, but you have keep this in mind for perspective;
There were regionals there; PSA, XJT, GoJets, Compass, Commutair, Great Lakes, Cape Air. And for those places, it's more than likely CFI's, etc trying to move up. They probably don't have JS/NR privileges, nor the funds to pay for a ticket/hotel to attend. Hence the lines at the regional desks were not that long, if any at all.
There was Kalitta, Atlas, and Spirit. You can easily deduce who the major draws were. And yes, depending on when you got there/got in line, the wait could exceed 2+ hours.
However, IF, and I'm just saying IF Delta, SW, FedEx, United, USAir, etc where there two things could likely be deduced;
1) The attendance would have been higher, MUCH HIGHER and
2) The wait times probably wouldn't have been quite the same for basically 2 companies. Or rather more spread out.
Just seeing some friends and meeting some people, there were pilots from a wide range of backgrounds. Guys with jobs looking to move on guys with jobs about to get furloughed, and guys that have been furloughed. COMAIR, Southern, World, Pinnacle, TSA, furloughed frac pilots, DHL, etc etc etc....................
Overall I thought it was good. As far as the question of whether or not it helps, who REALLY knows? It's all subjective/relative. Sure, it puts a face to the resume/app.
But more importantly, it probably doesn't HURT an applicant one bit.
There were regionals there; PSA, XJT, GoJets, Compass, Commutair, Great Lakes, Cape Air. And for those places, it's more than likely CFI's, etc trying to move up. They probably don't have JS/NR privileges, nor the funds to pay for a ticket/hotel to attend. Hence the lines at the regional desks were not that long, if any at all.
There was Kalitta, Atlas, and Spirit. You can easily deduce who the major draws were. And yes, depending on when you got there/got in line, the wait could exceed 2+ hours.
However, IF, and I'm just saying IF Delta, SW, FedEx, United, USAir, etc where there two things could likely be deduced;
1) The attendance would have been higher, MUCH HIGHER and
2) The wait times probably wouldn't have been quite the same for basically 2 companies. Or rather more spread out.
Just seeing some friends and meeting some people, there were pilots from a wide range of backgrounds. Guys with jobs looking to move on guys with jobs about to get furloughed, and guys that have been furloughed. COMAIR, Southern, World, Pinnacle, TSA, furloughed frac pilots, DHL, etc etc etc....................
Overall I thought it was good. As far as the question of whether or not it helps, who REALLY knows? It's all subjective/relative. Sure, it puts a face to the resume/app.
But more importantly, it probably doesn't HURT an applicant one bit.
I was simply stating that there were clearly more applicants and than available jobs. Which is NOT the definition of "shortage of qualified pilots".
I'm pretty sure if most people weren't constantly influenced by deceit on the whole shortage thing the turnout might be smaller. Of course then the companies that organize the whole job fair thing wouldn't be making money off of desperate under-paid pilots either. Can't have that
09-09-2012, 07:11 PM
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Sorry to stray off topic but......
Hundreds of people in line and you gotta pay to get in. I thought there was a pilot shortage or something. Sounds more like a job shortage to me. I was told a year and a half ago from many reputable people that I would be in a really really good position with-in a year or so. Guess I missed something.
This thread is just more evidence that all of the pilot shortage hype is designed to keep this huge scheme called "the making of an airline pilot" running strong. From the sounds of it there is a lot of money being made at the expense of pilots and those looking to become pilots.
Hundreds of people in line and you gotta pay to get in. I thought there was a pilot shortage or something. Sounds more like a job shortage to me. I was told a year and a half ago from many reputable people that I would be in a really really good position with-in a year or so. Guess I missed something.
This thread is just more evidence that all of the pilot shortage hype is designed to keep this huge scheme called "the making of an airline pilot" running strong. From the sounds of it there is a lot of money being made at the expense of pilots and those looking to become pilots.
Somebody get this guy a beer.
FWIW, I was there. Didn't seem to be any shortage of pilots to me. In fact, it eerily resembled a job fair I attended back in 2009 when everybody was furloughing.
09-09-2012, 07:12 PM
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As well as an oxymoron.
Gotcha, sorry 
Lol, I think you may have missed my point but that's ok.
I was simply stating that there were clearly more applicants and than available jobs. Which is NOT the definition of "shortage of qualified pilots".
I'm pretty sure if most people weren't constantly influenced by deceit on the whole shortage thing the turnout might be smaller. Of course then the companies that organize the whole job fair thing wouldn't be making money off of desperate under-paid pilots either. Can't have that
I was simply stating that there were clearly more applicants and than available jobs. Which is NOT the definition of "shortage of qualified pilots".
I'm pretty sure if most people weren't constantly influenced by deceit on the whole shortage thing the turnout might be smaller. Of course then the companies that organize the whole job fair thing wouldn't be making money off of desperate under-paid pilots either. Can't have that
09-10-2012, 04:59 AM
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Airlines are getting by and becoming more successful as a business still using techniques such as throwing out pilot contracts. So even if there is a pilot shortage, it won't matter. The industry will always find a way to be two steps ahead of the pilot group. Shortage or not, they apparently cannot even afford to pay pilots what they are currently paid.
Shortage at the regional level. That's just silly. Thousands of guys being tossed to the street all at the same time and yet the regional airlines are having a tough time attracting guys. Something wrong with that picture.
09-10-2012, 07:04 AM
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Ya know, I would feel the same way if it weren't for the 100's upon hundreds that had retired already this year and yet the industry is still furloughing. Management probably has a better picture than us. So why aren't they hiring in huge quantities already? Hundreds are retiring and thousands are being furloughed. Comair, Pinnacle, Eagle, and Mesa have been a huge player in the surplus of qualified pilots.
Airlines are getting by and becoming more successful as a business still using techniques such as throwing out pilot contracts. So even if there is a pilot shortage, it won't matter. The industry will always find a way to be two steps ahead of the pilot group. Shortage or not, they apparently cannot even afford to pay pilots what they are currently paid.
Shortage at the regional level. That's just silly. Thousands of guys being tossed to the street all at the same time and yet the regional airlines are having a tough time attracting guys. Something wrong with that picture.
Airlines are getting by and becoming more successful as a business still using techniques such as throwing out pilot contracts. So even if there is a pilot shortage, it won't matter. The industry will always find a way to be two steps ahead of the pilot group. Shortage or not, they apparently cannot even afford to pay pilots what they are currently paid.
Shortage at the regional level. That's just silly. Thousands of guys being tossed to the street all at the same time and yet the regional airlines are having a tough time attracting guys. Something wrong with that picture.
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