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08-10-2012, 03:45 AM
#41
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You're wrong. Captains aren't getting a pay cut. You reading the same term sheet? Also, we dont have CRJ900/E175 pay rates. We have CRJ700 pay rates that will be used for the 900/175, for 4 years. And pay banding, meaning there will most likely be a few captains on the 700/900/175 flying at E145 rates.
One thing I forgot to mention was the new hire +1 training event. Isn't that what we have now?
TC
08-10-2012, 04:22 AM
#43
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I'd bet if we vote that in we'll get the flying because we would have cheaper labor on those aircraft. Then the whipsaw begins. RAH and SKW then say they need a pay cut to remain competitive on the flying of those aircraft. Then in 4 years when its time for us to negotiate new pay rates the company will say no, we need what we have, or perhaps another cut. Thus, the cycle continues
08-10-2012, 04:28 AM
#44
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That's why I'm a no vote. Doesn't matter if anyone believes we will see the planes here or not. We vote that agreement in alone, flying 900/175 at 700 rates, it sets a precedent. The same precedent set by an airline years ago whose-name-tends-to-close-threads-so-they-will-go-un-named.
Lasted years.
08-10-2012, 04:39 AM
#45
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Oh an we have contract negotiations coming up, so I'm sure that will be a nightmare.
Hope things get smoothed out at AE and we all can move on from the regionals.
08-10-2012, 05:15 AM
#46
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I'm not sure how I'm going to vote until I see the details but here are a couple of my thoughts.
PBS: might work out in some ways. Being relatively junior in my base I would love to be able to bid days off and have a schedule built around that. Instead I have to try to bid a crappy line ( reserve or hard line ) try to trip trade and see "denied due to staffing".
Sick & Vacation in one bucket: We're giving up a week of vacation but we can now use the sick time we accrue. Seems like a wash as the company will smack your balls if you try using all your sick time anyways.
Home Reserve: with a positive spaced ticket this could really work out for us commuters. It would be nice to give up the crash pad. Again I need to see the language.
Captains are taking 2.5% pay cut. Well I'm in the what about me generation and I doubt I'll ever be a captain at AE.
Saabs, CRJ's and E175's oh my....could care less. We had E175 pay rates at Comair and the airplane was never flown by a Comair pilot. There is no doubt that Skywest and Republic are going to be given planes and routes. This particular item is in the hands of mainline.
Flow and Furlough....Pffft. You can put that next to the Charmin. Furlough protection has never worked and AA still hasn't had a use for the 200+ guys now at Eagle.
So for me it all comes down to the language.
Tell me where I'm wrong.
TC
PBS: might work out in some ways. Being relatively junior in my base I would love to be able to bid days off and have a schedule built around that. Instead I have to try to bid a crappy line ( reserve or hard line ) try to trip trade and see "denied due to staffing".
Sick & Vacation in one bucket: We're giving up a week of vacation but we can now use the sick time we accrue. Seems like a wash as the company will smack your balls if you try using all your sick time anyways.
Home Reserve: with a positive spaced ticket this could really work out for us commuters. It would be nice to give up the crash pad. Again I need to see the language.
Captains are taking 2.5% pay cut. Well I'm in the what about me generation and I doubt I'll ever be a captain at AE.
Saabs, CRJ's and E175's oh my....could care less. We had E175 pay rates at Comair and the airplane was never flown by a Comair pilot. There is no doubt that Skywest and Republic are going to be given planes and routes. This particular item is in the hands of mainline.
Flow and Furlough....Pffft. You can put that next to the Charmin. Furlough protection has never worked and AA still hasn't had a use for the 200+ guys now at Eagle.
So for me it all comes down to the language.
Tell me where I'm wrong.
TC
08-10-2012, 11:23 AM
#48
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There are zero fleet guarantees and no block hour guarantees.
08-10-2012, 11:36 AM
#49
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I agree this will pass. That's a shame. Management everywhere will point to comair now. Ill take a block guarantee. But when we were at comair we learned what a fleet guarantee gets ya, 37 aircraft parked in remote.
08-10-2012, 12:04 PM
#50
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I'm not sure how I'm going to vote until I see the details but here are a couple of my thoughts.
PBS: might work out in some ways. Being relatively junior in my base I would love to be able to bid days off and have a schedule built around that. Instead I have to try to bid a crappy line ( reserve or hard line ) try to trip trade and see "denied due to staffing".
TC
PBS: might work out in some ways. Being relatively junior in my base I would love to be able to bid days off and have a schedule built around that. Instead I have to try to bid a crappy line ( reserve or hard line ) try to trip trade and see "denied due to staffing".
TC
I understand how PBS is more efficient financially, but it's not too great for those of us in the bottom 10-15%
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