The Chow

I know AMR will distribute flying to Skywest and Republic as soon as they can, but foes anyone have avoid grasp on their contracts? I'm wondering how much Skywest/Express Jet or Republic pilots get paid. I was under the impression that Skywest has their fair share of senior pilots who get paid as well as the other regionals.


TC

lakehouse

Its all to be seen. My take is AMR has about 300 280 planes at the RJ level, and wants a 25% increase. Sounds like Skywest wants some, but how much are they willing to take on, everyone is worried about recruiting, and how much will they be charging. I could see Eagle only slightly smaller and having most the large RJs and having the 50 seat flying mostly bid out. Due to attrition we could end up not even furloughing in the end, and hiring instead. The next few years are uncharted waters with the FTDT and 1500 rule, along with some insane retirement numbers at mainline.

lakehouse

What happens at AA is to be seen, but we might be better off voting it down.

tmtbiker

the letter raises some good points, but has some weak areas too.

author is looking for a "fleet plan", but admits we're probably merging/getting bought by US Air..goodbye fleet plan, business plan, etc etc when that happens. Remember when all the TV's at the gates said "LARGEST AIRCRAFT ORDER EVAR!!!!!" for AA? Clearly a fleet plan doesn't mean squat, and can change at any time. Do the best with what you have, and don't paint yourself into a corner for future negotiations.

A friend of a friend overheard garton and winkley talking on their phones about getting -900s?? What's next, eagle getting the 319's? We have no idea what the scope clause looks like going forward, so any "facts" here are educated guesses AT BEST. Even if i were to believe the stories provided in the letter, you still must consider the source. Winkley was the guy who told some of our december '11 new hires that 'you'll be fine, dont worry about the bk' and a week later they were furloughed. Best taken with a bit of salt IMO.

Still, the letter does make some good points. No sense in rushing anything at this point, too many unknowns and/or moving parts. Also, I agree that under our current business model, eagle is most likely profitable and labor costs are actually more reasonable than we've been led to believe. Tough to argue that we need to take concessions, but unfortunately in BK we're instantly at a disadvantage. The Ch. 11 process is nothing more than a vehicle to restructure some debt and break down the unions, especially when you've got $5 billion in the bank when you enter.....

B767

Not sure about RAH but SKW payscale goes to 20 years, captains make more than AE and FOs make more than AE. Their FAs also get paid better than AE. I also know that their management sent out documents saying that SKW is the most expensive regional in terms of labor, and they are the second most profitable. According to them, guess who the most profitable regional is. Yup, eagle.

Edit: I would like to point out that their FOs flying the CRJ-200 make more than the FOs flying the -700 here at Eagle. How SKW could do the flying cheaper than AE is beyond me.

lakehouse

Eagle ground handling is taking over new contracts every week all over this country, I wouldn't be surprised in a year if they were the largest ground handling company domestically. Throw in a refreshed fleet of airplanes at Eagle and pay cuts, sounds like it could generate a bunch of cash via a spin off. That would be great if they want to buy another company.

BTpilot

Just about everything coming out of St. George is a mystery....

Qotsaautopilot

Devil is in the details. The details are in PBS and work rules. Pay rates are not everything that why this Aip is so shady. I guarantee if you compare your w2 to a skywest pilot of the same longevity and working the same hours a year I would be 100% confident that the eagle pilots made more and had a happier home life. PBS is there to ruin your life and cut your earnings even if your payrates don't change.

Apa showed some balls and were not scared into the unknown. Find a UAL pilot and ask them how voting in their own bankruptcy contract is working out for them. Guess what 10 years later they are still working under it and they did it to themselves because they were scared of the judge.

VOTE NO!!!'

be76flyer

I think you both need to read Judge Lane's full ruling before you say he is thoughtful or will only give AMR average. Judge Lane will give AMR anything they ask for as long as they show him why they need it. Read his full ruling and then tell me we aren't F-ed.

LostCommonsense

I am going to have to agree with you. As soon as AMR makes the modifications with respect to code sharing and furloughs, they'll get what they want. Having said that, I am a no vote because 8 years is far too long, especially with what was offered. I would rather take my chances with Judge Lane, and negotiate a new contract exiting BK. AA sacked up, now it's our turn.