NPRM results released?
07-06-2012, 03:16 AM
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Agreed. Plus now that you will have to have 1500 hours to get a seat in an airliner, I can see flight training dropping off. Back when you had a decent chance of being hired if you made it through your ratings and got to 500 hours people still wanted to start training. At 1500 hours though that carrot will be way to far away. When new students shrink so will the need for CFIs. Traffic watch is almost a thing of the past now. Banner towing is getting a bit harder to break into and most survey companies want 500-1000 hours to get into the door. The traditional low time jobs are drying up. Unless you have a bunch of rich kid that can go buy a 1000 hours it may end up being a shortage at some point.
07-06-2012, 03:36 AM
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07-06-2012, 06:39 AM
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I say let the rule screw everything up, create a "shortage" and if it shuts 'em down, then good! just maybeeeeee we will then be the ones not getting the blunt end of the whipsaw. I hope this rule shuts down every regional with in the next 10 years..
07-06-2012, 06:39 AM
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Ugh, this is ridiculous. The FAA finally makes a law to up the requirements for pilots, which will make this a safer industry and probably also serve to increase our wages.... and then another loophole everyday is opened up to water it back down to allow the same group of people into seats that would've been in there before.
All these requirements... PIC time, approved upgrade training course to get a PIC type rating, etc... were all put there for a reason. But now that its "too hard" to get those, lets just give out waivers and approvals saying that even though you don't have it, you're still good enough anyways.
This is totally defeating the whole purpose. You're required to have an ATP which means you should be required to have the experience, training, and qualifications of an ATP. It doesn't mean we should water down what it takes to get an ATP in order to be able to hand them out to everyone.
07-06-2012, 08:03 AM
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What?? Why?
Ugh, this is ridiculous. The FAA finally makes a law to up the requirements for pilots, which will make this a safer industry and probably also serve to increase our wages.... and then another loophole everyday is opened up to water it back down to allow the same group of people into seats that would've been in there before.
All these requirements... PIC time, approved upgrade training course to get a PIC type rating, etc... were all put there for a reason. But now that its "too hard" to get those, lets just give out waivers and approvals saying that even though you don't have it, you're still good enough anyways.
This is totally defeating the whole purpose. You're required to have an ATP which means you should be required to have the experience, training, and qualifications of an ATP. It doesn't mean we should water down what it takes to get an ATP in order to be able to hand them out to everyone.
Ugh, this is ridiculous. The FAA finally makes a law to up the requirements for pilots, which will make this a safer industry and probably also serve to increase our wages.... and then another loophole everyday is opened up to water it back down to allow the same group of people into seats that would've been in there before.
All these requirements... PIC time, approved upgrade training course to get a PIC type rating, etc... were all put there for a reason. But now that its "too hard" to get those, lets just give out waivers and approvals saying that even though you don't have it, you're still good enough anyways.
This is totally defeating the whole purpose. You're required to have an ATP which means you should be required to have the experience, training, and qualifications of an ATP. It doesn't mean we should water down what it takes to get an ATP in order to be able to hand them out to everyone.
Actually the ability to use right seat time to count in lieu of some of the ATP PIC requirements is nothing new...it's been in the FARs all along and some regionals who hire wet-commercials (notably mesa) have taken advantage of that before.
07-06-2012, 09:47 AM
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Not surprising during the "transition period".
Actually the ability to use right seat time to count in lieu of some of the ATP PIC requirements is nothing new...it's been in the FARs all along and some regionals who hire wet-commercials (notably mesa) have taken advantage of that before.
Actually the ability to use right seat time to count in lieu of some of the ATP PIC requirements is nothing new...it's been in the FARs all along and some regionals who hire wet-commercials (notably mesa) have taken advantage of that before.
07-06-2012, 10:04 AM
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Congress made the law requiring ATPs in both seats but didn't set the requirements for an ATP. There has been an allowance for SIC time to count for PIC time since at least the mid 70s.
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