Regional FO -> Mainline FO directly?
05-12-2012, 12:43 PM
#32
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I was hired at USAir in 1999 with no turbine PIC. In retrospect, accepting it was the worst decision I could have made. When I was furloughed several years later I was unqualified to apply at any of the few airlines still hiring and, as a result, ended up at the bottom of a regional.
Better to gain the minimum qualifications than to regret not having done so later. I ended up having almost 9000 TT and it taking almost 10 years after my first airline job before I got 1000 pic turbine.
Better to gain the minimum qualifications than to regret not having done so later. I ended up having almost 9000 TT and it taking almost 10 years after my first airline job before I got 1000 pic turbine.
No one knows.
05-12-2012, 01:21 PM
#33
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05-12-2012, 01:36 PM
#34
Where's my Mai Tai?
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Alas, my class was after DAL quit running them in 2001.
Worked out anyway.
05-12-2012, 01:39 PM
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There are a few NW people involved with hiring. It seems, just like anything, it is all about who you know. Time will tell if the NW legacies are treated like the Western legacies. The Delta application was modified to remove the drop down selection to indictae if one is or not, do not know what that is about.
05-12-2012, 02:00 PM
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Don't know about the RD thing, he's been there 32 years. It's not a big deal, I have no problem going through the process just like everyone else. My comment was just to clarify that it doesn't always give you a free ride to know someone, although it might not hurt.
05-12-2012, 02:00 PM
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HOPEFULLY in a couple of years, affirmative action will be illegal as it IS a racist, sexist, and unethical idea. As the mother of two white males, I object to it and think it is about the most unfair practice in our land. I know some will say that I may have benefited from it and I say: point made.
05-12-2012, 02:04 PM
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Im a black male...
1)To start off, dont let people tell you your skin color will mess you up. We're in the jim Crow era if we start talking like that again.
2) I worked at WMU. Does everyone really understand that ONLY WMU had the Delta Program? It was because of DAL's loss of a law suit regarding their hiring practice. I only worked there, was not a part of the program.
3)If you believe in the American justice system, how can u respond to #2?
4) Do I believe affirmative action is fair? NO!
5) Why do we have affirmative action? Because of mistakes the previous generation made. I, u, and our peers have nothing to do with that, but we cant undue it today. We have to live with it.
How many times have you seen minority pilots? Prolly 2 times out of 10. Its a numbers game. Dont let anyone tell you any different. Most minorities dont know that they can fly or how to go about doin it. I know this because I go to the schools and talk with them. Im a member of OBAP and try to give back. Most that hate on OBAP dont give back to the next generation and have no idea what its like to suit up on a day off and go to a elem school.
Keep flying and dont let race stop you.
1)To start off, dont let people tell you your skin color will mess you up. We're in the jim Crow era if we start talking like that again.
2) I worked at WMU. Does everyone really understand that ONLY WMU had the Delta Program? It was because of DAL's loss of a law suit regarding their hiring practice. I only worked there, was not a part of the program.
3)If you believe in the American justice system, how can u respond to #2?
4) Do I believe affirmative action is fair? NO!
5) Why do we have affirmative action? Because of mistakes the previous generation made. I, u, and our peers have nothing to do with that, but we cant undue it today. We have to live with it.
How many times have you seen minority pilots? Prolly 2 times out of 10. Its a numbers game. Dont let anyone tell you any different. Most minorities dont know that they can fly or how to go about doin it. I know this because I go to the schools and talk with them. Im a member of OBAP and try to give back. Most that hate on OBAP dont give back to the next generation and have no idea what its like to suit up on a day off and go to a elem school.
Keep flying and dont let race stop you.
05-12-2012, 02:28 PM
#40
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Speaking of color and hiring at Delta, check out this Delta pilot story, from the Delta.com blog site.......
Behind-the-wings: The Pilot Life At Delta
Published March 23rd, 2012 in Onboard, Pilots |
My name is D*** C*** and I am a First Officer for Delta Air Lines. Currently in my fifth year with Delta, I fly the Boeing 737 (800/700). I am based in the New York area, so I fly out of JFK, LaGuardia and Newark a lot. In addition to my usual routes to the west coast (LAX, SEA, etc.), I have also been flying to South America a lot recently. What I love about flying and working for Delta is that every flight and every day is different, meaning new opportunities and challenges to do my best. Regardless of the number of times I have taken off or landed at a certain airport, this job requires that I am constantly working for perfection, never allowing my professionalism to take a back seat.
I grew up in Woodbridge,VA, a suburb just outside ofWashington,D.C.and come from a fabulous, loving and supportive family. My parents were very closely linked to my career choice. My mother was a flight attendant for USAir for 30 years, so I spent much of my childhood traveling with my siblings and learning all about the country and the world first hand. I wanted to be a flight attendant just like my mother. However, she told me I needed to be in the cockpit, because that’s where the real fun was. And that, as they say, was that. With the support of my family, I found that it’s amazing what you can do when you don’t know that you can’t.
My mom was my biggest influence and my biggest fan; she was just amazing. She had this great job that took her all over the world, and at the same time was always there for all of us. She was Superwoman. She opened my eyes to aviation and, more importantly, the world. Throughout my research, she actively helped me find a flight school, an instructor and a good college to make my dream a reality. As a result of her encouragement and support, I was even able to start college with a Private Pilot certificate, a year ahead of most of my classmates.
I choose Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, where I received my Bachelor’s Degree, as well the rest of my flight ratings (Instrument, Commercial, Multi, Certified Flight Instructor, Instrument Instructor and Multi-Engine Instructor) in four years. I faced the typical challenges of any female trying to make it in what is still deemed “a man’s world”, feeling I needed to work twice as hard to be seen as half as good. Though no one comes out and says they are judging you because you are female, actions speak louder than words. Knowing the expectations I would face, I overcame the challenges by giving 110%, 100% of the time. I knew I had to work harder than my peers. As an African-American female, I was a double minority and for four years I was the only girl in many of my courses. Going above and beyond became my ‘normal’; which prepared me not only for college, but also for a tough career ahead.
When people told me “no” or doubted my hopes and dreams, it only fueled my fire, reinforcing my commitment to becoming a pilot; not just to prove them wrong, but to show them they had no effect on me. During this time, my mother and my siblings had a huge impact in helping me stay strong. On those occasions when I did see that rare female pilot in a uniform, it helped kept everything in perspective. I realized those women had it so much harder than I did, and they had opened the door for me. The least I could do was to work hard and open a door for others.
In 2004, I was working at a regional airline and decided I needed to make things happen to make my dreams come true. I applied (for the third time) for both the Delta Boeing 737 Type Rating and a job at Spirit Airlines. I hoped that, with any luck, I would get one of the opportunities and start taking a step in the right direction for my career. To my surprise, not only did I get the job at Spirit Airlines, I also won the Delta Type Rating! It was such an amazing feeling to know that my hard work was finally paying off. I had already taken the job at Spirit when I was told I had won the scholarship from Delta. Even though I was working for a competitor, Delta was true to its word and worked with me and my training/work schedule at Spirit. They treated me like a member of the Delta family from the start. Everyone I came across was supportive and encouraging, with regards to furthering my career and becoming a Delta pilot. Once Delta began the hiring process, I applied and was fortunate enough to be accepted and officially join the Delta team as a pilot.
The experience I have had with Delta Air Lines has been positive from the start; and while I have been an employee for more than five years, it has yet to feel like work. When you are here, you really are part of huge family. And despite what the future holds, I know that I will have the support and help of this new family, Delta Air Lines.
D*** C***
Delta Pilot
Behind-the-wings: The Pilot Life At Delta
Published March 23rd, 2012 in Onboard, Pilots |
My name is D*** C*** and I am a First Officer for Delta Air Lines. Currently in my fifth year with Delta, I fly the Boeing 737 (800/700). I am based in the New York area, so I fly out of JFK, LaGuardia and Newark a lot. In addition to my usual routes to the west coast (LAX, SEA, etc.), I have also been flying to South America a lot recently. What I love about flying and working for Delta is that every flight and every day is different, meaning new opportunities and challenges to do my best. Regardless of the number of times I have taken off or landed at a certain airport, this job requires that I am constantly working for perfection, never allowing my professionalism to take a back seat.
I grew up in Woodbridge,VA, a suburb just outside ofWashington,D.C.and come from a fabulous, loving and supportive family. My parents were very closely linked to my career choice. My mother was a flight attendant for USAir for 30 years, so I spent much of my childhood traveling with my siblings and learning all about the country and the world first hand. I wanted to be a flight attendant just like my mother. However, she told me I needed to be in the cockpit, because that’s where the real fun was. And that, as they say, was that. With the support of my family, I found that it’s amazing what you can do when you don’t know that you can’t.
My mom was my biggest influence and my biggest fan; she was just amazing. She had this great job that took her all over the world, and at the same time was always there for all of us. She was Superwoman. She opened my eyes to aviation and, more importantly, the world. Throughout my research, she actively helped me find a flight school, an instructor and a good college to make my dream a reality. As a result of her encouragement and support, I was even able to start college with a Private Pilot certificate, a year ahead of most of my classmates.
I choose Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, where I received my Bachelor’s Degree, as well the rest of my flight ratings (Instrument, Commercial, Multi, Certified Flight Instructor, Instrument Instructor and Multi-Engine Instructor) in four years. I faced the typical challenges of any female trying to make it in what is still deemed “a man’s world”, feeling I needed to work twice as hard to be seen as half as good. Though no one comes out and says they are judging you because you are female, actions speak louder than words. Knowing the expectations I would face, I overcame the challenges by giving 110%, 100% of the time. I knew I had to work harder than my peers. As an African-American female, I was a double minority and for four years I was the only girl in many of my courses. Going above and beyond became my ‘normal’; which prepared me not only for college, but also for a tough career ahead.
When people told me “no” or doubted my hopes and dreams, it only fueled my fire, reinforcing my commitment to becoming a pilot; not just to prove them wrong, but to show them they had no effect on me. During this time, my mother and my siblings had a huge impact in helping me stay strong. On those occasions when I did see that rare female pilot in a uniform, it helped kept everything in perspective. I realized those women had it so much harder than I did, and they had opened the door for me. The least I could do was to work hard and open a door for others.
In 2004, I was working at a regional airline and decided I needed to make things happen to make my dreams come true. I applied (for the third time) for both the Delta Boeing 737 Type Rating and a job at Spirit Airlines. I hoped that, with any luck, I would get one of the opportunities and start taking a step in the right direction for my career. To my surprise, not only did I get the job at Spirit Airlines, I also won the Delta Type Rating! It was such an amazing feeling to know that my hard work was finally paying off. I had already taken the job at Spirit when I was told I had won the scholarship from Delta. Even though I was working for a competitor, Delta was true to its word and worked with me and my training/work schedule at Spirit. They treated me like a member of the Delta family from the start. Everyone I came across was supportive and encouraging, with regards to furthering my career and becoming a Delta pilot. Once Delta began the hiring process, I applied and was fortunate enough to be accepted and officially join the Delta team as a pilot.
The experience I have had with Delta Air Lines has been positive from the start; and while I have been an employee for more than five years, it has yet to feel like work. When you are here, you really are part of huge family. And despite what the future holds, I know that I will have the support and help of this new family, Delta Air Lines.
D*** C***
Delta Pilot
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