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05-11-2012, 09:32 AM
#11
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: A-320 Asst. Pilot
Posts: 423
This is an intelligence quiz:
Hypothetical 2010 annual insurance premiums for a RAHBro were $11,000.00
Company paid $10,000.00
RAHBro paid $1,000.00
Same premium for 2011 rose to $13,000.00
Company pays $11,500.00
RAHBro pays $1,500.00
Who "absorbs major share of rising healthcare costs" here?
a) RAHBro
b) Company
Hint #1: Total increase is $2,000.00
Hint #2: RAHBro portion of increase is $500.00
Hint #3: Company portion of increase is $1,500.00
Hypothetical 2010 annual insurance premiums for a RAHBro were $11,000.00
Company paid $10,000.00
RAHBro paid $1,000.00
Same premium for 2011 rose to $13,000.00
Company pays $11,500.00
RAHBro pays $1,500.00
Who "absorbs major share of rising healthcare costs" here?
a) RAHBro
b) Company
Hint #1: Total increase is $2,000.00
Hint #2: RAHBro portion of increase is $500.00
Hint #3: Company portion of increase is $1,500.00
05-11-2012, 09:46 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: F.O. E170
Posts: 76
They are paying the contractually obligated 2/3 of the healthcare cost. So, while they may be absorbing "most" of the increase without passing it along to the pilots, they are not doing it out of the kindness of their heart!
05-11-2012, 10:17 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: retired
Posts: 992
This comes across as an amateurish response to the RAHcontractnow site. As an outsider, I am not impressed. These massed-produced 'management tells their side' sites that have been puked out by labor negotiation consultants with nauseating regularity. Quit 'telling' your people how good they have it......show them respect and pay them accordingly. Not asking for much here.
05-11-2012, 10:23 AM
#14
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: FO
Posts: 101
Hey Mulva since your computing numbers you might like this:
Seriously?
If a 7 year FO is getting a 14.7% pay increase I want at a minimum a 14.7% pay increase. I'm a ****ing 17 year captain. And I expect my union to get me this. This is a walkable incident.
I'm ****ed.
I'm ****ed.
05-11-2012, 10:28 AM
#15
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: FO
Posts: 101
1) "Republic absorbs major share of rising healthcare costs"
Company's share from 2010-2012, $6,500-8,400.
Employee's share, $2,200-3,400.
That's a 29% increase for RAH and a 54% increase for us. Way to pick up the "major share" there, Republic!
Company's share from 2010-2012, $6,500-8,400.
Employee's share, $2,200-3,400.
That's a 29% increase for RAH and a 54% increase for us. Way to pick up the "major share" there, Republic!
05-11-2012, 10:31 AM
#16
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 22
Mulva, take a look at the real numbers:
http://www.myrjetworkplace.com/wp-co...care-Costs.pdf
Just sayin' ...
http://www.myrjetworkplace.com/wp-co...care-Costs.pdf
Just sayin' ...
05-11-2012, 11:21 AM
#17
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: A-320 Asst. Pilot
Posts: 423
If the "he" you are referring to is me, then yes I was. I find it intriguing how a generally level headed RAH pilot is attempting to spin the following as something other than what it simply is:
2010-2012 healthcare costs increased $3,100.00 of which the Company absorbed $1,900.00 and the remaining $1,200.00 went to the employee. Doesn't that suggest the Company absorbed over 62% of the increase? I would consider that a "major share." According to those numbers, the Company is picking up over 71% of the total tab (granted that has gone down a bit since 2010).
How about if the company were paying $9,999.99 of a $10K tab with the RAHBro sporting for the other $0.01? Let's say the overall goes to $11K with the RAHBro picking up $0.02 and the Company $10,999.98. Damn, the RAHBro sees a 100% increase while the company only sees a 10% increase. Where is the fairness there? Would is be fair at all to consider the Company picking up $999.99 vs. the RAHBro $0.01?
I guess you can look at it as a 100% increase to the RAHBro or a 99.999% "major share" increase to the Company.
Just kind of funny seeing efforts to refute a Company statement that, to 99% of the planet, makes absolute sense.
AND Airbill, thanks for the chart. Was kind of garbled up except for the actual colored bars, but no biggie. All I need to do is look at my pay stubs from the last few years to know that healthcare costs are eating into my direct deposit. The point I am making is that employers (including RAH) continue to pick up the lions share of the increase.
AND GoBlue, why the Company does so is beside the point.
2010-2012 healthcare costs increased $3,100.00 of which the Company absorbed $1,900.00 and the remaining $1,200.00 went to the employee. Doesn't that suggest the Company absorbed over 62% of the increase? I would consider that a "major share." According to those numbers, the Company is picking up over 71% of the total tab (granted that has gone down a bit since 2010).
How about if the company were paying $9,999.99 of a $10K tab with the RAHBro sporting for the other $0.01? Let's say the overall goes to $11K with the RAHBro picking up $0.02 and the Company $10,999.98. Damn, the RAHBro sees a 100% increase while the company only sees a 10% increase. Where is the fairness there? Would is be fair at all to consider the Company picking up $999.99 vs. the RAHBro $0.01?
I guess you can look at it as a 100% increase to the RAHBro or a 99.999% "major share" increase to the Company.
Just kind of funny seeing efforts to refute a Company statement that, to 99% of the planet, makes absolute sense.
AND Airbill, thanks for the chart. Was kind of garbled up except for the actual colored bars, but no biggie. All I need to do is look at my pay stubs from the last few years to know that healthcare costs are eating into my direct deposit. The point I am making is that employers (including RAH) continue to pick up the lions share of the increase.
AND GoBlue, why the Company does so is beside the point.
05-11-2012, 01:29 PM
#18
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: Jet Pilot
Posts: 797
And how much are you worth? First, you are worth what you negotiate. Second, with no shortage of wannabes willing to fly jets for practically free, you cannot negotiate much. I'd say you are paid exactly what you are worth.
05-11-2012, 02:00 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 22
Mulva,
If it was garbled, then you'll have to ask the company why. It's from their newfangled website. :wink:
The only thing that chart proves is that the company has been gradually shifting, as a percentage share, more and more of the cost of health care to its employees. And you're right, it's going on all over the nation. RAH is not all that different from many other corporations. But, your examples notwithstanding, it puts the lie to the company's assertion that it isn't shifting more of the burden to its employees. And with most of our FOs frozen in salary seemingly in perpetuity, this is a very relevant charge.
This is the one I really like:
By my count, we have had four pilot furloughs in ten years. Pilots have been out of work up to two years. In some cases, the company fired out of seniority even though it knew it was illegal. This is blatant disregard for the truth, but par from the course from a company whose "guiding principles" contains this nugget: "Tell the truth." It would be funny if it weren't so tragic. These are the guys you're working for. I'm sorry if you trust them more than you trust us, but that's the way this has gone from the beginning.
And speaking of tragic, it sucks that we're at each other's throats when it shouldn't be this way. Our fight was, and always has been, with management that served notice that it wanted to toss our scope out of the window. What would you have done? Would you have been so complicit?
If it was garbled, then you'll have to ask the company why. It's from their newfangled website. :wink:
The only thing that chart proves is that the company has been gradually shifting, as a percentage share, more and more of the cost of health care to its employees. And you're right, it's going on all over the nation. RAH is not all that different from many other corporations. But, your examples notwithstanding, it puts the lie to the company's assertion that it isn't shifting more of the burden to its employees. And with most of our FOs frozen in salary seemingly in perpetuity, this is a very relevant charge.
This is the one I really like:
Job security: Our employees have benefitted from unparalleled job security and job growth since September 11, 2001. Because of teamwork and good decisions, Republic has avoided deep, long-lasting layoffs that have plagued other air carriers. Additionally, we’ve worked hard to avoid and minimize pilot furloughs. When furloughs have been necessary, we have been able to return pilots to work fairly quickly.
And speaking of tragic, it sucks that we're at each other's throats when it shouldn't be this way. Our fight was, and always has been, with management that served notice that it wanted to toss our scope out of the window. What would you have done? Would you have been so complicit?
05-11-2012, 03:00 PM
#20
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: F.O. E170
Posts: 76
[QUOTE=Mulva;1186361
AND GoBlue, why the Company does so is beside the point.[/QUOTE]
I would disagree with you on that point. The company is implying that they are picking up the lion's share of the cost in order to not give anyone a pay cut. Since I have not gotten any sort of pay raise in over two years and my health insurance cost about 250 dollars more a month, I would say that I have received a pay cut. It is typical Republic speak, they aren't exactly lying, but they aren't telling the truth either.
I know, the company tried to "give" me a raise out of the goodness of their heart. However, I would like my raise as a part of a new contract, not an underhanded attempt to string out the negotiating process even further.
The company just wants to give us honest information. Maybe they are, unfortunately, after 5+ years of being lied to, I don't have the heart, nor the mindset to listen to them anymore.
Just my thoughts.
AND GoBlue, why the Company does so is beside the point.[/QUOTE]
I would disagree with you on that point. The company is implying that they are picking up the lion's share of the cost in order to not give anyone a pay cut. Since I have not gotten any sort of pay raise in over two years and my health insurance cost about 250 dollars more a month, I would say that I have received a pay cut. It is typical Republic speak, they aren't exactly lying, but they aren't telling the truth either.
I know, the company tried to "give" me a raise out of the goodness of their heart. However, I would like my raise as a part of a new contract, not an underhanded attempt to string out the negotiating process even further.
The company just wants to give us honest information. Maybe they are, unfortunately, after 5+ years of being lied to, I don't have the heart, nor the mindset to listen to them anymore.
Just my thoughts.
