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Yazzoo 05-02-2012 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1180599)
I left Chautauqua (RAH) 5 years ago, and would strongly recommend against going there. From what my buddies say, it's only gotten worse. Of the 3 that you mentioned, XJT has always been the best IMO. In many ways their contract is superior to most majors (except for the hourly rates). I have a few friends there that are FO's. They are able to manipulate their schedule (due to the contract) to credit way over 100 hours, every month. So even though the pay rates are similar, an XJT FO has the potential to make MUCH more than an RAH FO.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results though :D

Good luck to you

Thank you, good luck to you as well. What was bad about CHQ when you were working there, and how has it gotten worse? Looks like you're at Delta now, so it can't be all bad :)

thump 05-02-2012 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by Yazzoo (Post 1180688)
Thank you, good luck to you as well. What was bad about CHQ when you were working there, and how has it gotten worse? Looks like you're at Delta now, so it can't be all bad :)

I got hired at Republic 4.5 years ago and I'm only halfway to upgrade. 500 FOs senior to me and 500 FOs junior to me. The CHQ of 5 years ago doesn't exist. Those guys all upgraded in 1 to 2 years. At my current rate, I'll be lucky to upgrade in 9 to 10 years from date of hire.

Kalamazoo 05-02-2012 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Whacker77 (Post 1180613)
I've never heard of RAH going after someone for the training contract. Maybe they have, but I'm not even sure a contract like that is enforcable.

About a month or two ago there were a couple of threads about RAH doing exactly this.

Whacker77 05-02-2012 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by Kalamazoo (Post 1180716)
About a month or two ago there were a couple of threads about RAH doing exactly this.

Whoops. Well, that was the case back in the day, or that's what friends who worked there told me. I guess if they're giving $5000 bonuses, they feel obligated to go after the contract.

MoarAlpha 05-02-2012 05:05 PM

Xjet, PSA, RAH. In that order.

I too have heard that the legacy Xjet side of Xjet can credit some crazy amounts if you can work it right and are willing to fly.

hc0fitted 05-02-2012 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by MoarAlpha (Post 1180757)
Xjet, PSA, RAH. In that order.

I too have heard that the legacy Xjet side of Xjet can credit some crazy amounts if you can work it right and are willing to fly.

True story !

FLowpayFO 05-02-2012 08:09 PM

This might help your decision more/less.

Chautauqua Could Split from Republic
May 2, 2012 1500 MT

Republic Airways could put its Chautauqua Airlines subsidiary into court protection without affecting the rest of the company, although CEO Bryan Bedford suggests this is just one possibility as he attempts to revive the division.

“We’re focused on working with our stakeholders at Chautauqua to get a win-win opportunity, just as we were working with Frontier [Airlines], which also continues to be a completely separate corporate entity and business enterprise,” Bedford told analysts during the company’s first-quarter results conference call.



“I would hope at the end of the day that what we’re putting forward to our key stakeholders is something that they understand and can wrap their arms around.”

Republic says it needs to cut $40-60 million of Chautauqua’s costs to make the 50-seat regional jet operation profitable. Under previously disclosed plans, the company expects some of those savings will come from maintenance providers and other vendors, as well as from restructuring aircraft leases and debt. Bedford, however, has not discussed that happens if this plan fails, but under questioning from analysts during the earnings conference call he acknowledged that its operating division, which include Republic Airlines, Shuttle America and Chautauqua as well as Frontier, are all independent corporate entities and that each could become independent from the holding company.

Joachim 05-02-2012 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by hc0fitted (Post 1180792)
True story !

Having to fanagle your schedule to make money is horse****. You should get paid decently by working and without being a scheduling loophole guru.

thepotato232 05-03-2012 12:20 AM


You should get paid decently by working and without being a scheduling loophole guru.
And I want a pony.

On topic though, this is a tough one. I mean, I hate RAH, and this is a tough one. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see RAH try to furlough again this fall, just because that seems to be their go-to position when they don't know what the Hell else to do. On the plus side, that would mean all bets are off as far as the training contract goes. Then again, on the infinitesimal chance that the pilots get released to strike, first-years with no union protection could be faced with a "scab or you're fired" scenario.

By all accounts, PSA and (especially) XJT are better places to work. Again, OTOH, how firm are these deals with the poolies? This wouldn't be the first time in airline history the company geared up for a hiring rush early in the year, somehow fail to take into account the annual post-summer doldrums, and told everyone not already on property to pound sand.

I'd rather upgrade quickly to captain and move on to a major than spend over a decade at a regional just to hit halfway-decent earnings.
Then I don't know what to tell you. The time of the two-year RJ upgrade is over, and there are a lot of layoffs, consolidations and retirements to go at all levels of the industry before it'll even be a possibility again. RAH is a disaster for junior pilots, and if you go there, you will be miserable. That is pretty much a given. If I was still there, I would still be a fairly "junior" pilot, going into Year 5 on property.

edit:

he acknowledged that its operating division, which include Republic Airlines, Shuttle America and Chautauqua as well as Frontier, are all independent corporate entities and that each could become independent from the holding company.
I would add "But it would get reeeeally ugly for all involved." to that statement. Bedford pulled a lot of crap to force the "one company, one list" language, and breaking it up again would be almost as much of a mess as putting it together was.

hc0fitted 05-03-2012 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 1180915)
Having to fanagle your schedule to make money is horse****. You should get paid decently by working and without being a scheduling loophole guru.

Why you mad ?


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