Age Requirements and Regionals
10-24-2006, 10:32 PM
#21
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Got another question for you young guys who are up to your eye balls in flight time: what is your damn hurry? If you got hired TODAY, thats 4 years MINIMUM to upgrade. Regardless what the upgrade time is at the company. Do you really want to sling gear in a B1900 at Colgan or where ever else might hire you for 4 years? At 19 you should go to college, party yourself silly, have drunk sex with random girls and not have to worry about reserve phone time, 30 in 7 conflicts, when your next PC is due, is the company paying me right, is what they're asking me to do legal, when am i going to eat next, how quickly can I cover the 3 S's (sh!t, shower and shave) in the morning and all those other glamourous things that go on in the regional airline world. Thats just my 2 cents.
10-24-2006, 10:57 PM
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Something else you young guys with rediculous amounts of time might be overlooking is that it can smell fishy to the hiring department at most airlines. I guarantee it will come up at an interview and the last thing they want to hear is "i flew around for sh!ts and giggles, paying for it out of my (or mommy and daddy's) pocket". Diamnd15, how are you flying 110hrs a month if you aren't already employed? When I was instructing at one of the largest aviation colleges in the country with a full load of students. doing checkrides and maxing out my duty time every month, I was averaging 80 hours a month of flight time.
Got another question for you young guys who are up to your eye balls in flight time: what is your damn hurry? If you got hired TODAY, thats 4 years MINIMUM to upgrade. Regardless what the upgrade time is at the company. Do you really want to sling gear in a B1900 at Colgan or where ever else might hire you for 4 years? At 19 you should go to college, party yourself silly, have drunk sex with random girls and not have to worry about reserve phone time, 30 in 7 conflicts, when your next PC is due, is the company paying me right, is what they're asking me to do legal, when am i going to eat next, how quickly can I cover the 3 S's (sh!t, shower and shave) in the morning and all those other glamourous things that go on in the regional airline world. Thats just my 2 cents.
Got another question for you young guys who are up to your eye balls in flight time: what is your damn hurry? If you got hired TODAY, thats 4 years MINIMUM to upgrade. Regardless what the upgrade time is at the company. Do you really want to sling gear in a B1900 at Colgan or where ever else might hire you for 4 years? At 19 you should go to college, party yourself silly, have drunk sex with random girls and not have to worry about reserve phone time, 30 in 7 conflicts, when your next PC is due, is the company paying me right, is what they're asking me to do legal, when am i going to eat next, how quickly can I cover the 3 S's (sh!t, shower and shave) in the morning and all those other glamourous things that go on in the regional airline world. Thats just my 2 cents.
10-24-2006, 11:02 PM
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A CFI has been considered by some to be the most difficult checkride that people take prior to their 121 stuff. So, it may also show the company that "until now" you've passed the most diff. checkride that's available (because, that will also help show that you might have better promise to pass the 121 ride which is to come) Personally, i'd try to see if there were any 135 type ops around that'd be willing to hire you, even on a part time basis, doing hops in a king air while going to school could be helpful, and it'll show you have some professional flying ability plus some ability to work in a crew.
As for 135, AmFlight is the only thing that comes to mind in the Southwest / California region and they have a minimum age requirement. If anybody can think of other 135 without age requirements, please let me know.
10-25-2006, 12:04 AM
#24
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I dont know. Its not really a rush, but more of a "why waste time" type of feeling...... As for my personal life and what I should be doing, I'm 19, married and have a son...... Its just that only very few people I met want to be a lifetime CFI, the rest are just using it as a time builder. With this said, I have 800 hours and building, so I kind of don't need to be a CFI. Now before all you start yelling at me, I have the utmost respect for CFI's, after all, it was a CFI who taught me to fly.
A note about those folks that "don't want to learn." I have yet to meet anyone who is willing to spend $3-4000 on a private ticket that didn't want to learn. (Perhaps you are projecting your attitude on other, but that is not my place to say)
If you choose not to be a CFI, fine, but don't say in an interview it is a waste of time. Tons of folks who are employed as pilots have been CFIs and you would ruffle some feathers. You could get away with saying something like I chose to fly as a glider tower or pipeline patrol because the schedule allowed me to finish my degree.
Finnaly, the pilots that scare me the most are the ones who don't realise they are mortal or think they have learned all there is to know.
Good luck,
J
10-25-2006, 01:30 AM
#25
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If you have no patience flight instructing right now, I can only imagine what you'll be like 4 years down the road as the most senior FO at your company!!! You'll be the infamous FO with severe case of "captain-itus." You’ll feel like every captain there is your student bastard from hell. Of course, I’m exaggerating to make a point.
Brother let me tell you; you seem to be a nice guy with family, etc. Please do not rush to the airlines because many major airlines won't hire you without a degree. Please get your degree, be a great husband and a father and the airline thing will happen sooner than you think. Don’t get “locked” into a first officer position because you’ll be able to watch all your friends upgrade and move onto bigger airlines leaving you behind. You’ll be so miserable then.
Now, if you were at an airline where it takes decades to upgrade, like Eagle, you probably wouldn’t even notice your age because by the time your upgrade comes up you’ll be pretty darn close to your retirement!
Kiddin' of course, well, kind of.
Anyway, you have a great future ahead of you; get a degree, keep building flight time, network for future references and you'll be golden! Good Luck!
Also...
"I know I learned more in the first 100 hours of flight instructing than in any other 1000 hours I have flown."
I agree 100% with this statement!
Brother let me tell you; you seem to be a nice guy with family, etc. Please do not rush to the airlines because many major airlines won't hire you without a degree. Please get your degree, be a great husband and a father and the airline thing will happen sooner than you think. Don’t get “locked” into a first officer position because you’ll be able to watch all your friends upgrade and move onto bigger airlines leaving you behind. You’ll be so miserable then.
Now, if you were at an airline where it takes decades to upgrade, like Eagle, you probably wouldn’t even notice your age because by the time your upgrade comes up you’ll be pretty darn close to your retirement!
Kiddin' of course, well, kind of. Anyway, you have a great future ahead of you; get a degree, keep building flight time, network for future references and you'll be golden! Good Luck!
Also...
"I know I learned more in the first 100 hours of flight instructing than in any other 1000 hours I have flown."
I agree 100% with this statement!
Last edited by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE; 10-25-2006 at 01:39 AM.
10-25-2006, 02:39 AM
#26
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Get your CFI now.
Enroll in college for January 2007 in something other than aviation. I recommend finance if you can stomach it. Go to a state or community college and do not accumulate debt.
Have fun at college. Meet girls. Go to parties. Don't do anything dumb that will follow you around such as a public intox charge.
Use the CFI to instruct enough to stay current without spending money.
Finish the four year degree. You'll want it for a major and may need it to fall back on in bad aviation times.
Enroll in college for January 2007 in something other than aviation. I recommend finance if you can stomach it. Go to a state or community college and do not accumulate debt.
Have fun at college. Meet girls. Go to parties. Don't do anything dumb that will follow you around such as a public intox charge.
Use the CFI to instruct enough to stay current without spending money.
Finish the four year degree. You'll want it for a major and may need it to fall back on in bad aviation times.
10-25-2006, 04:33 AM
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[QUOTE=freezingflyboy;72748]Something else you young guys with rediculous amounts of time might be overlooking is that it can smell fishy to the hiring department at most airlines. I guarantee it will come up at an interview and the last thing they want to hear is "i flew around for sh!ts and giggles, paying for it out of my (or mommy and daddy's) pocket".
It came up in my interview. Though I had a CFI. They went through all my logbooks and couldn't figure out why it took me 100+ hrs to get a private pilot. The answer was easy, flying once a week since I was 14
Then they though it was pretty funny....
It came up in my interview. Though I had a CFI. They went through all my logbooks and couldn't figure out why it took me 100+ hrs to get a private pilot. The answer was easy, flying once a week since I was 14
Then they though it was pretty funny....
10-25-2006, 05:22 AM
#28
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19 yo, married, and a son? Sounds like someone had a hard with "safety" at a young age and got some chic knocked up. Now he is married to her. If you add being away all the time to your immaturity that marriage is doomed to fail.
The good thing is time wont be wasted with the shave if you aren't growing hair on your chin yet. So I guess it's more of the 2 S's
The good thing is time wont be wasted with the shave if you aren't growing hair on your chin yet. So I guess it's more of the 2 S's
10-25-2006, 05:23 AM
#29
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Not to mention that:
1) You can make a career out of it (and retire in your 40's).
and
2) Make contacts which will help you get hired at any major you choose.
Last edited by robthree; 10-25-2006 at 05:24 AM. Reason: typo
10-25-2006, 05:56 AM
#30
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well first off i am a cfi with a few students, but also i fly as a traffic watch pilot. i am not in any hurry to get to the regionals but if i have the chance to go to a good one, i would. well i maybe 19, i still get to act like one and have fun with all of my time off. this is just my full time jobs and how i pay the bills, im very happy with where i am now and the people i get to fly with, and dont plan on dropping out of college either.
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