PNCL Out of seniority Furloughs
04-06-2012, 07:09 AM
#42
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So what is your suggestion? Furlough out of seniority? That's a good idea. You entered into arbitration with the knowledge of how it "could" go down. Now you don't like it. I fully understand, but the list is the list. Truthfully I wish we could put the 900s on our list, give you guys a number and when we hire the ones that are on furlough are the first in. I also wish I had a 12" schlong and was an award winning porn star but so far my wishes have not been granted
As far as the race to the bottom. We have had nothing but backwards movement for the last 12 years. In compensation, work rules, retirement, vacation, days off etc, etc. The regionals in that time frame have experienced unprecedented growth. Had we (and WE failed miserably) contained scope most of you would not be discussing your downgrades to crj fo because you would not be capts now and a large portion would still be towing banners, flight instructing or out of the industry all together. OUR weakness allowed you to have a job. Your segment of the industry is now going through what ours has for the last decade. Not fun for sure. Maybe, just maybe if we don't allow anymore subcontracting there may be some hope for this profession. But furloughing out of seniority is something that none of us want to see started.
As far as the race to the bottom. We have had nothing but backwards movement for the last 12 years. In compensation, work rules, retirement, vacation, days off etc, etc. The regionals in that time frame have experienced unprecedented growth. Had we (and WE failed miserably) contained scope most of you would not be discussing your downgrades to crj fo because you would not be capts now and a large portion would still be towing banners, flight instructing or out of the industry all together. OUR weakness allowed you to have a job. Your segment of the industry is now going through what ours has for the last decade. Not fun for sure. Maybe, just maybe if we don't allow anymore subcontracting there may be some hope for this profession. But furloughing out of seniority is something that none of us want to see started.NERD for the win!
04-06-2012, 07:15 AM
#43
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so what is your suggestion? Furlough out of seniority? That's a good idea. You entered into arbitration with the knowledge of how it "could" go down. Now you don't like it. I fully understand, but the list is the list. Truthfully i wish we could put the 900s on our list, give you guys a number and when we hire the ones that are on furlough are the first in. I also wish i had a 12" schlong and was an award winning porn star but so far my wishes have not been granted as far as the race to the bottom. We have had nothing but backwards movement for the last 12 years. In compensation, work rules, retirement, vacation, days off etc, etc. The regionals in that time frame have experienced unprecedented growth. Had we (and we failed miserably) contained scope most of you would not be discussing your downgrades to crj fo because you would not be capts now and a large portion would still be towing banners, flight instructing or out of the industry all together. Our weakness allowed you to have a job. Your segment of the industry is now going through what ours has for the last decade. Not fun for sure. Maybe, just maybe if we don't allow anymore subcontracting there may be some hope for this profession. But furloughing out of seniority is something that none of us want to see started.
as far as the race to the bottom. We have had nothing but backwards movement for the last 12 years. In compensation, work rules, retirement, vacation, days off etc, etc. The regionals in that time frame have experienced unprecedented growth. Had we (and we failed miserably) contained scope most of you would not be discussing your downgrades to crj fo because you would not be capts now and a large portion would still be towing banners, flight instructing or out of the industry all together. Our weakness allowed you to have a job. Your segment of the industry is now going through what ours has for the last decade. Not fun for sure. Maybe, just maybe if we don't allow anymore subcontracting there may be some hope for this profession. But furloughing out of seniority is something that none of us want to see started.i just got me a new hero!!!!!!
04-06-2012, 07:16 AM
#44
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04-06-2012, 07:33 AM
#46
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So, how would a "real" seniority list be created in your eyes? Let me guess, you go on top and staple everyone else below you? That's what the PCL merger committee basically suggested from the beginning (with small variation).
Despite what any of us think, this is an arbitrated seniority list. It's binding....as in this isn't "bullpoop" as you claim; rather, it's the real deal. Accept it before you stroke out. If the collective merger committees had been able to come to an agreement, the list might've looked differently.....but that didn't happen and it's over.
Please stop crying about the list.
Despite what any of us think, this is an arbitrated seniority list. It's binding....as in this isn't "bullpoop" as you claim; rather, it's the real deal. Accept it before you stroke out. If the collective merger committees had been able to come to an agreement, the list might've looked differently.....but that didn't happen and it's over.
Please stop crying about the list.
Out of seniority furloughs.... BAD IDEA! If karma is anything other than a word, a guy wants out of seniority furloughs to protect his job now will lose a job later because his airframe was retired from a list and he was furloughed out of seniority list order.
<--- 9E pilot against out of seniority furloughs. In fact, I don't want to see anyone, regardless of "pre-merger" affiliation, lose a job or a seat.
04-06-2012, 07:37 AM
#47
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You must know more than every single pilot and MEC rep out there. Please explain how u became so wise? I'm a line pilot, I don't do finances that's not my job.
04-06-2012, 07:43 AM
#48
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Posts: 339
mostly correct, I think. I highly doubt PCL will pay big bucks to honer seniority. But, yes...it may come down to what a court thinks, not what alpa mecs think.
04-06-2012, 07:49 AM
#49
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Every man has to fight for what he thinks is right. As a Colgan pilot, I happen to agree with the pinnacle viewpoint here. Although I don't like the lack of solidarity, I can definitely sympathize with the fact that many guys received a bum deal. The furlough should go DOH, however I stand behind our elected ALPA reps 100%. If they choose a route based on the needs of their constituents, I'm for it. My fight is not with my colleagues, but with those who continue to beat this profession down. Management be warned, you stole from us, lied to us, took our livelihoods, and took our futures, but you will not turn me against my friends and brothers. When my furlough number comes up, so be it. I shall blame no honest due paying member for it.
04-06-2012, 08:14 AM
#50
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Just think how GREAT out of seniority would be!!! After all those evil, bottom feeding Colganites are gone, there will still be 100 or so more to go. Management, being free to cherry pick, will then be able to furlough the top 900 guys!
Opps, guess I didn't think that through.
(Now do you see why it's a bad precedent? If not, I hear GoJet is hiring.
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Opps, guess I didn't think that through.
(Now do you see why it's a bad precedent? If not, I hear GoJet is hiring.
)
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