The sky is falling at 9E
03-30-2012, 12:48 PM
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I don't think the busts have been ill-intentioned and on purpose. One of the guys who busted his oral didn't know his systems well enough. We were kind of expecting it. A couple of the guys who have busted their checkrides did so because they crashed during a single-engine go-around or crashed during landing. I would have never expected it from them to fail and I felt bad for them considering they're great guys but I guess sht happens sometimes.
03-30-2012, 01:01 PM
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I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and believe they're conducting their job as professionally as they can with the resources they're given (which aren't much). It isn't too much of an exagertion to say that the training department has been a charlie foxtrot since, and even a little before, the merger.
Not true. I was kicked out of my hotel because we have a very incompetent training scheduler who booked our hotel stay incorrectly for many of us. We had to move hotels because the original one was overbooked. Again, it wasn't all of us but perhaps 8 of us or so.
Lots of prop>jet guys have been failing, that part is true. In many cases they have been given over 70 hours of OE and still can't pass their fed rides. Ask any 9E FO who has flown with a Saab captain and you will hear some really shocking stories. Many of these guys have never flown over 250kt, or any big airports. You can't blame training for people biting off more than they can chew.
Mostly CAs.
03-30-2012, 01:20 PM
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Well as far as 9L guys not getting thru at 9E there are guys just not being smart... For example in crew room the other day 9L CA shows up for OE with out his complete FOM... In my opinion automatic you don't do OE and go home but base manager produced FOM for said CA and off he went on OE... from my observations all busts have been justified and there has been a lot of grace and breaks given to the boys n gals coming over. And Pinnacle Training department has a history of a high number of busts.
03-30-2012, 01:42 PM
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All I can say is I'm going to study my arse off when I make the transition.
Going from a Saab to a CRJ200 will not be an easy task, and I will treat it as any challenge I have encountered before. I look forward to working with everyone over there
I won't be perfect, but I'll get'r'done. I'd say "I'll do my best", but anyone who has seen The Rock knows what Sean Connery says about that
Going from a Saab to a CRJ200 will not be an easy task, and I will treat it as any challenge I have encountered before. I look forward to working with everyone over there
I won't be perfect, but I'll get'r'done. I'd say "I'll do my best", but anyone who has seen The Rock knows what Sean Connery says about that
03-30-2012, 01:46 PM
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Are you waiting for someone to say you don't fail a fed ride, you're just not signed off?
03-30-2012, 02:01 PM
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Yea i agree, the Colgan guys 90% have failed that have gone to 9E side. I hope pinnacle guys arent doing this on purpose, but its looking that way.
Yup, one our guys failed because he was repositioned on a type ride because the pinnacle apd failed to set weather mins low. So the apd repo him on final and ca forgot to reset fms appraoch and the apd failed him. Well the ca got no assistance fro
9E union. And so far nothing come of it. But was reported to faa.
Yup, one our guys failed because he was repositioned on a type ride because the pinnacle apd failed to set weather mins low. So the apd repo him on final and ca forgot to reset fms appraoch and the apd failed him. Well the ca got no assistance fro
9E union. And so far nothing come of it. But was reported to faa.
03-30-2012, 02:07 PM
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On the other hand, I have sat nonfly for some type rides that I was sure was a bust if not borderline. The APD passed them. So you can loose the "they are out to get you" drama.
Alot of the failures are because people who have never flown the crj come in with the attitude "if I can fly a complex Q/Saab the jet will be a breeze since all you do is push buttons"
Alot of the failures are because people who have never flown the crj come in with the attitude "if I can fly a complex Q/Saab the jet will be a breeze since all you do is push buttons"
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