MESA injures Passengers and Ramper
10-23-2006, 05:27 AM
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While I have a strong, personal dislike for Mesa, I think that this incident was purely the result of ramp workers not following the procedures they were trained to. I used to work the ramp for United Express at IAD, so I do know a bit about what I am saying. There are prescribed places to put baggage carts so that this does not happen. And, there are procedures that say boarding of another aircraft (in the open, no jet bridges) must be stopped while an adjacent aircraft is manuevering or has engines running with the possibility of movement (i.e. just taxied in, or about to spin out, or turning out after a pushback). All that was required to prevent injury in this situation was for the ramp workers and CS agents to use thier heads, remember what the were taught, and stop the paasengers from the Skywest aircraft from entering the ramp area until Mesa had left. Also, the ramp worker who gave the wave off/ all clear sign to the Mesa crew should have included the deplaning/enplaning passengers in his assessment. You all know that from inside the cockpit you have a very limited field of view. The ramp is responsible for the operation of your aircraft up until you acknowledge the all clear. Sure, you can also be held accountable under certain circumstances (don't knock our wing into anything), but as a crew member, you would certainly not be held liable for injuries that occur behind your aircraft as long as you are under the control of the ramp and you are follwing the instructions given.
Wow, I just defended Mesa. I promise I won;t let it happen again
Wow, I just defended Mesa. I promise I won;t let it happen again
10-23-2006, 11:37 AM
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Hee hee hee...
You guys are funny...
Where were the ramp marshallers? Maybe a ramper leaves a bag cart where it shouldn't be, but since a MESA aircraft caused the jet blast its suddenly a MESA sucks/blows issue.
Funny how you when Comair takes off on the wrong runway killing 49 people it's somehow the tower controllers fault or its blamed on a taxi diagram, but I suppose I'd be politically incorrect to point that one out.
You guys need a new topic.
Where were the ramp marshallers? Maybe a ramper leaves a bag cart where it shouldn't be, but since a MESA aircraft caused the jet blast its suddenly a MESA sucks/blows issue.
Funny how you when Comair takes off on the wrong runway killing 49 people it's somehow the tower controllers fault or its blamed on a taxi diagram, but I suppose I'd be politically incorrect to point that one out.
You guys need a new topic.
The most entertaining posts usually start with "I've heard from numerous people...".
They need a new topic. Indeed.
10-23-2006, 02:49 PM
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Ellen,
I thought we were are on the same page because you are anti-ALPA at SkyWest like myself, however, you mentioned that United should get rid of their of the Mesa contract and give the flying to other regionals, which I agree with, BUT YOU MENTIONED GOJET??? HOW CAN YOU DO THAT??? And this entire time I thought we were on the same page! LOL
GoJet should continued to get what they deserve, because those guys are coming for all of OUR jobs next!
I thought we were are on the same page because you are anti-ALPA at SkyWest like myself, however, you mentioned that United should get rid of their of the Mesa contract and give the flying to other regionals, which I agree with, BUT YOU MENTIONED GOJET??? HOW CAN YOU DO THAT??? And this entire time I thought we were on the same page! LOL
GoJet should continued to get what they deserve, because those guys are coming for all of OUR jobs next!
10-23-2006, 06:16 PM
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Wasn't it a Southwest ramper that threw a chock into the right engine of a 737 because they saw a nav light had burnt out? How about the NW Airlink ramper a few years back that walked into the prop on a Saab while it was running?
The ramp is a busy and dangerous place that is staffed by people with the IQs and wages comparable to Burger King employees. As a former ramper I can honestly say that there were a few times I thought I was about to see carnage because of stupidity, or just plain ignorance. I can also say that I'm convinced that it's the most dangerous job in aviation.
The ramp is a busy and dangerous place that is staffed by people with the IQs and wages comparable to Burger King employees. As a former ramper I can honestly say that there were a few times I thought I was about to see carnage because of stupidity, or just plain ignorance. I can also say that I'm convinced that it's the most dangerous job in aviation.
10-23-2006, 06:38 PM
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10-23-2006, 08:14 PM
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Ramper saw the light out as he was marshalling the flight during pushback. In his haste, he ran over, grabbed a chock and threw it into the #2 engine because he was worried about the potential danger of the flight departing without the nav light operational. Instead of mx replacing the light really quick, the flight was cancelled due to a destroyed engine and he was promptly terminated.
My question is what in the hell was he doing that close to that intake when the engine was running? If he was smart enough to throw a chock in, I guess he's smart enough to ignore the red lines on the nacelle and the little "avoid this area" diagram right next to it.
My question is what in the hell was he doing that close to that intake when the engine was running? If he was smart enough to throw a chock in, I guess he's smart enough to ignore the red lines on the nacelle and the little "avoid this area" diagram right next to it.
