Three failed check rides @ Xjet?
03-20-2012, 12:27 PM
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Historically if you had more than 2 failed checkrides you could not interview at Xjet....Now rumor is that those with 3 fails can now get an interview.... providing ONE of the 3 was the CFI checkride. They are overlooking the CFI bust because approximately 70% fail the CFI ride on their 1st attempt. That's what I meant to say.
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03-20-2012, 12:32 PM
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If you have a stellar resume outside of your busts then you still have a shot. If it was a long time ago and you have since progressed in your career (passed a type ride, been hired and passed training at a part 121 or charter dept) you should be ok. If you are a flight instructor with three busts it will definitely hold you back. As far as I know they are not hiring people with three busts unless they are exceptional candidates in every other way.
03-20-2012, 01:13 PM
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At the Delta-owned puppymill where I got my ratings, busts were only bad because it cost you another 350 bucks. Nobody mentioned they would haunt you forever.
Instructors were graded by how many hours their students were taking as well as their failure rate. As long as you were averaging a 70% pass rate, the push was to get them done.
Instructors were graded by how many hours their students were taking as well as their failure rate. As long as you were averaging a 70% pass rate, the push was to get them done.
03-20-2012, 01:47 PM
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If you are a pilot who failed some checkrides, it does not matter that you actually passed them (because otherwise you would not have you licenses).
You are grounded for life, you need to change your career and forget about flying.
Is this the same America where the school system does not let my wife (primary school teacher) grade kids below a certain percentage? Which means no matter how bad one kid does, he/she will never get less than the minimum to pass the test/work. This is done so kids don't have to face failure, "Oh my God how are we gonna fail the kid, they all should have the same opportunities and chances in life".
I am against this. I believe one should have the chance to fail. However, I also believe one should have the chance to succeed.
On a checkride you have to demonstrate you meet certain standards, if you make a mistake (are we not humans?) then you have to re-train and re-take the checkride to demonstrate you have met those standard. Right?
The important thing is that at some point YOU DID MEET THE STANDARDS.
Wait, so if you failed a checkride it tells the airline you are applying for that at some point in the past you did not meet the standards? SHOCKER!!! No one ever met the standards at birth, hence the fact that you failed checkrides does not tell the company anything they didn't already know. The important fact is that, since you have your license/ratings, you DID pass the checkride.
Apparently pilots are not human, they can't fail. If you are a pilot and fail the first time you take a test/ride, it does not matter that you passed it the second time, you obviously are not a real pilot since pilot's can't fail, you are just a human who dreams about flying and there's no place for you in aviation.
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." - Michael Jordan
You are grounded for life, you need to change your career and forget about flying.
Is this the same America where the school system does not let my wife (primary school teacher) grade kids below a certain percentage? Which means no matter how bad one kid does, he/she will never get less than the minimum to pass the test/work. This is done so kids don't have to face failure, "Oh my God how are we gonna fail the kid, they all should have the same opportunities and chances in life".
I am against this. I believe one should have the chance to fail. However, I also believe one should have the chance to succeed.
On a checkride you have to demonstrate you meet certain standards, if you make a mistake (are we not humans?) then you have to re-train and re-take the checkride to demonstrate you have met those standard. Right?
The important thing is that at some point YOU DID MEET THE STANDARDS.
Wait, so if you failed a checkride it tells the airline you are applying for that at some point in the past you did not meet the standards? SHOCKER!!! No one ever met the standards at birth, hence the fact that you failed checkrides does not tell the company anything they didn't already know. The important fact is that, since you have your license/ratings, you DID pass the checkride.
Apparently pilots are not human, they can't fail. If you are a pilot and fail the first time you take a test/ride, it does not matter that you passed it the second time, you obviously are not a real pilot since pilot's can't fail, you are just a human who dreams about flying and there's no place for you in aviation.
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." - Michael Jordan
03-20-2012, 01:50 PM
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That's a BS statement. There are plenty of crappy CFI's out there who don't know their backside from a hole in the ground and don't teach their students crap before signing them off. Plus, you know as well as I do that in aviation (as in many things in life) there is more than one way to skin a cat. I have seen people bust checkrides because the examiner didn't like the way they did things but they were taught that way by their CFI. If there are pilots out there with a clean, unblemished checkride record then more power to them. Howeveer, I think those pilots are an exception to the norm and a lot of pilots have more than one bust.
03-20-2012, 02:49 PM
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If you are a pilot who failed some checkrides, it does not matter that you actually passed them (because otherwise you would not have you licenses).
You are grounded for life, you need to change your career and forget about flying.
Is this the same America where the school system does not let my wife (primary school teacher) grade kids below a certain percentage? Which means no matter how bad one kid does, he/she will never get less than the minimum to pass the test/work. This is done so kids don't have to face failure, "Oh my God how are we gonna fail the kid, they all should have the same opportunities and chances in life".
I am against this. I believe one should have the chance to fail. However, I also believe one should have the chance to succeed.
On a checkride you have to demonstrate you meet certain standards, if you make a mistake (are we not humans?) then you have to re-train and re-take the checkride to demonstrate you have met those standard. Right?
The important thing is that at some point YOU DID MEET THE STANDARDS.
Wait, so if you failed a checkride it tells the airline you are applying for that at some point in the past you did not meet the standards? SHOCKER!!! No one ever met the standards at birth, hence the fact that you failed checkrides does not tell the company anything they didn't already know. The important fact is that, since you have your license/ratings, you DID pass the checkride.
Apparently pilots are not human, they can't fail. If you are a pilot and fail the first time you take a test/ride, it does not matter that you passed it the second time, you obviously are not a real pilot since pilot's can't fail, you are just a human who dreams about flying and there's no place for you in aviation.
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." - Michael Jordan
You are grounded for life, you need to change your career and forget about flying.
Is this the same America where the school system does not let my wife (primary school teacher) grade kids below a certain percentage? Which means no matter how bad one kid does, he/she will never get less than the minimum to pass the test/work. This is done so kids don't have to face failure, "Oh my God how are we gonna fail the kid, they all should have the same opportunities and chances in life".
I am against this. I believe one should have the chance to fail. However, I also believe one should have the chance to succeed.
On a checkride you have to demonstrate you meet certain standards, if you make a mistake (are we not humans?) then you have to re-train and re-take the checkride to demonstrate you have met those standard. Right?
The important thing is that at some point YOU DID MEET THE STANDARDS.
Wait, so if you failed a checkride it tells the airline you are applying for that at some point in the past you did not meet the standards? SHOCKER!!! No one ever met the standards at birth, hence the fact that you failed checkrides does not tell the company anything they didn't already know. The important fact is that, since you have your license/ratings, you DID pass the checkride.
Apparently pilots are not human, they can't fail. If you are a pilot and fail the first time you take a test/ride, it does not matter that you passed it the second time, you obviously are not a real pilot since pilot's can't fail, you are just a human who dreams about flying and there's no place for you in aviation.
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty six times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." - Michael Jordan
All you say can be true, and there can be others who shouldn't be behind the controls of an airplane carrying paying customers, but because of that same system that you complain about in public school, if you have enough money to continue to train, then you too can eventually succeed!
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03-20-2012, 03:24 PM
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3 checkride failures shouldn't be acceptable for a professional pilot. I'm sure a lot of guys don't agree with that for whatever reason, but the fact of the matter is standards must be maintained. 1 failure is understandable, 2 is unfortunate, by failure number 3 you should be starting to get the hint that you're just not cut out to fly at a professional level. There are no excuses. If you had other things going on in your life at the time that led to you failing so many checkrides, then you should have put your training off until such time that you could put your full focus and energy into attaining the correct standard.
Too many people think that attaining a professional flying licence is just a case of jumping through hoops. It isn't. There is no barrier to entry these days other than one's ability to pass checkrides and later on, the airline interview.
The standard to pass these checkrides isn't all that high. If you can't meet the standard on three different occasions, then you shouldn't be flying people around for money. Of course failures happen occasionally, but three failures should be a major alarm bell that should prompt you to think that maybe you just aren't cut out for professional flying.
Too many people think that attaining a professional flying licence is just a case of jumping through hoops. It isn't. There is no barrier to entry these days other than one's ability to pass checkrides and later on, the airline interview.
The standard to pass these checkrides isn't all that high. If you can't meet the standard on three different occasions, then you shouldn't be flying people around for money. Of course failures happen occasionally, but three failures should be a major alarm bell that should prompt you to think that maybe you just aren't cut out for professional flying.
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