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03-09-2012, 08:30 AM
#41
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Heart of a Flight Instructor? No he shouldnt have to "teach" crap. Mentor yes but teach?
03-09-2012, 08:40 AM
#42
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Well your resume is in sea of resumes of others with the same quals as you. If and when you get called, all that 'experience' is great, but once your past the interview and hired, who cares? You either make it through training, or you don't. Their have been many highly experienced folks on paper who make it and some who don't. Then their are others with low experience who get through just fine. Once you make it through training, you are a student all over again. Yeah you can fly single ifr, blah, blah, but if you have never done 121, it's all new all over again. In the interview, as others mention, don't come across as a db, it will be obvious. Do your part, study up, be humble, and the rest should come. Hang in there.
03-09-2012, 08:41 AM
#43
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Guys! Guys! Easy there! Time out! Jeez,man. In typical airline forum fashion, it didn't take long for somebody to get their feelings hurt,launch a personal attack, and then for the rest of the pack to take the cue to pile on!
I've been communicating with Brian. He really comes off as a truly nice and humble guy when one talks to him. Not only that, but he hasn't launched a counterattack, which speaks volumes in my mind. He's stayed on topic.
You guys are reading WAY too much into his comments. Go back to the beginning of the thread and read the whole thing over again.
His comments don't come across as any more arrogant than anybody else's on this forum. What he says is generally true. I happened to be a flight instructor for a couple of years, at one of the busiest FAR 141 flight schools at John Wayne airport in SoCal back in the '89-'91 time period. I happen to think it was great experience. I also knew plenty of freight pilots in those days. Their flying was certainly more demanding, in all regards. Later on, after I started flying for Eagle, I met guys who were freight pilots for a couple of years before coming to work at Eagle, and the stories they had to tell me about their jobs were horrifying. I remember telling some of them I would've walked away from the job before doing what some of them were forced to do night in, night out in some of the worst thunderstorm weather imaginable. These guys REALLY learned how to fly. They had to deal with crap, yet high performance airplanes, usually with no radar, and a big load of freight. They had to get it there, and it had to be there NOW. If it didn't get there, there were plenty of willing pilots waiting in the wings. Freaking dangerous job, but it created some of the best pilots I've ever met. That is a fact.
Yes, there are pilots out there with higher time than him, and there are a lot of pilots with similar time to his, but I'd consider it of lower quality if I were a chief pilot looking for a new hire. There are many pilots with MUCH higher time than his. It's a fact. If you look at his posts, he realizes this.
He's simply wondering out loud why he might be having such a hard time these days.
My take is that its a tough environment out there. There are thousands of applicants for every good job out there. It's a competitive market. Network. Make contacts.
Easy on him guys. If I wanted to, I could probably go back and find plenty of "arrogant" posts from most of you. Do not throw stones in glass houses.
I've been communicating with Brian. He really comes off as a truly nice and humble guy when one talks to him. Not only that, but he hasn't launched a counterattack, which speaks volumes in my mind. He's stayed on topic.
You guys are reading WAY too much into his comments. Go back to the beginning of the thread and read the whole thing over again.
His comments don't come across as any more arrogant than anybody else's on this forum. What he says is generally true. I happened to be a flight instructor for a couple of years, at one of the busiest FAR 141 flight schools at John Wayne airport in SoCal back in the '89-'91 time period. I happen to think it was great experience. I also knew plenty of freight pilots in those days. Their flying was certainly more demanding, in all regards. Later on, after I started flying for Eagle, I met guys who were freight pilots for a couple of years before coming to work at Eagle, and the stories they had to tell me about their jobs were horrifying. I remember telling some of them I would've walked away from the job before doing what some of them were forced to do night in, night out in some of the worst thunderstorm weather imaginable. These guys REALLY learned how to fly. They had to deal with crap, yet high performance airplanes, usually with no radar, and a big load of freight. They had to get it there, and it had to be there NOW. If it didn't get there, there were plenty of willing pilots waiting in the wings. Freaking dangerous job, but it created some of the best pilots I've ever met. That is a fact.
Yes, there are pilots out there with higher time than him, and there are a lot of pilots with similar time to his, but I'd consider it of lower quality if I were a chief pilot looking for a new hire. There are many pilots with MUCH higher time than his. It's a fact. If you look at his posts, he realizes this.
He's simply wondering out loud why he might be having such a hard time these days.
My take is that its a tough environment out there. There are thousands of applicants for every good job out there. It's a competitive market. Network. Make contacts.
Easy on him guys. If I wanted to, I could probably go back and find plenty of "arrogant" posts from most of you. Do not throw stones in glass houses.
03-09-2012, 08:49 AM
#44
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Thanks! :-)
Must be my inner "DB" showing through on my cookie cutter application. ;-)
Anyways it is very interesting to me that the phone does not ring at all. I mean the application is completely emotionless and shows zero personal attitude or attributes. It doesn't ask technical or HR style questions. It's simply qualified or unqualified. When I compare it to company requirements the required green check marks are there.... just interesting.
Must be my inner "DB" showing through on my cookie cutter application. ;-)
Anyways it is very interesting to me that the phone does not ring at all. I mean the application is completely emotionless and shows zero personal attitude or attributes. It doesn't ask technical or HR style questions. It's simply qualified or unqualified. When I compare it to company requirements the required green check marks are there.... just interesting.
03-09-2012, 09:19 AM
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noun
1. a wise and trusted counselor or teacher.
2. an influential senior sponsor or supporter.
I guarantee if you aren't learning or relearning something daily you're not doing it right and believe it or not your Captain is teaching you along the way either with intent to do so or without it.
Once you are co-captains that may change some.
03-09-2012, 09:40 AM
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men·tor [men-tawr, -ter] Show IPA
noun
1. a wise and trusted counselor or teacher.
2. an influential senior sponsor or supporter.
I guarantee if you aren't learning or relearning something daily you're not doing it right and believe it or not your Captain is teaching you along the way either with intent to do so or without it.
Once you are co-captains that may change some.
noun
1. a wise and trusted counselor or teacher.
2. an influential senior sponsor or supporter.
I guarantee if you aren't learning or relearning something daily you're not doing it right and believe it or not your Captain is teaching you along the way either with intent to do so or without it.
Once you are co-captains that may change some.
The more HR see's your name the better. You want to stand out from the pile of resumes. Also, go to job fairs ect... Simply clicking "submit" ain't gonna cut it right now.
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