G7 union - IBT 618
03-02-2012, 07:07 PM
#73
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You need to read your history. Hulas made the call without the union. The union was willing to negotiate in good faith, they simply refused the first offer which had them flying 70 seat aircraft for 50 seat rates and worse working conditions. Thus, gojets was created specifically to circumvent TSA's collective bargaining agreement.
By the way before we go any further, what is the point of an individual crossing a picket line? And how's that intent any different than working for company that was specifically created to undermine a collective bargaining agreement per management themselves?
The situation with gojets was so disgusting that both ALPA and Teamsters (aviation chapter) passed up on them, they rejected them. The current representation is the taxi cab union, the only ones that would touch them!
Everything I've posted is documented, what do you have to back up your claims besides wishful thinking?
By the way before we go any further, what is the point of an individual crossing a picket line? And how's that intent any different than working for company that was specifically created to undermine a collective bargaining agreement per management themselves?
The situation with gojets was so disgusting that both ALPA and Teamsters (aviation chapter) passed up on them, they rejected them. The current representation is the taxi cab union, the only ones that would touch them!
Everything I've posted is documented, what do you have to back up your claims besides wishful thinking?
Otherwise, they would look really foolish based on where that stand got them.
COME ON MAN!!!!!!
03-02-2012, 07:13 PM
#74
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Position: ERJ145 Captain
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You strike me as someone who would cross a picket picket line under the wise of "a job is a job".
You're exactly what's wrong with the industry.
03-02-2012, 07:16 PM
#75
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You need to read your history. Hulas made the call without the union. The union was willing to negotiate in good faith, they simply refused the first offer which had them flying 70 seat aircraft for 50 seat rates and worse working conditions. Thus, gojets was created specifically to circumvent TSA's collective bargaining agreement.
By the way before we go any further, what is the point of an individual crossing a picket line? And how's that intent any different than working for company that was specifically created to undermine a collective bargaining agreement per management themselves?
The situation with gojets was so disgusting that both ALPA and Teamsters (aviation chapter) passed up on them, they rejected them. The current representation is the taxi cab union, the only ones that would touch them!
Everything I've posted is documented, what do you have to back up your claims besides wishful thinking?
By the way before we go any further, what is the point of an individual crossing a picket line? And how's that intent any different than working for company that was specifically created to undermine a collective bargaining agreement per management themselves?
The situation with gojets was so disgusting that both ALPA and Teamsters (aviation chapter) passed up on them, they rejected them. The current representation is the taxi cab union, the only ones that would touch them!
Everything I've posted is documented, what do you have to back up your claims besides wishful thinking?
Otherwise, they would look really foolish based on where that stand got them.
COME ON MAN!!!!!!
03-02-2012, 07:36 PM
#76
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You need to read your history. Hulas made the call without the union. The union was willing to negotiate in good faith, they simply refused the first offer which had them flying 70 seat aircraft for 50 seat rates and worse working conditions. Thus, gojets was created specifically to circumvent TSA's collective bargaining agreement.
By the way before we go any further, what is the point of an individual crossing a picket line? And how's that intent any different than working for company that was specifically created to undermine a collective bargaining agreement per management themselves?
The situation with gojets was so disgusting that both ALPA and Teamsters (aviation chapter) passed up on them, they rejected them. The current representation is the taxi cab union, the only ones that would touch them!
Everything I've posted is documented, what do you have to back up your claims besides wishful thinking?
By the way before we go any further, what is the point of an individual crossing a picket line? And how's that intent any different than working for company that was specifically created to undermine a collective bargaining agreement per management themselves?
The situation with gojets was so disgusting that both ALPA and Teamsters (aviation chapter) passed up on them, they rejected them. The current representation is the taxi cab union, the only ones that would touch them!
Everything I've posted is documented, what do you have to back up your claims besides wishful thinking?
Second...go out to STL and find a Teamster from Local 618 and tell them they are part of a "taxicab union." Go ahead. When they're done with your schooling, you'll find out that GoJets is part of Local 618 AND represented by the Airline Division of the Teamsters. That's the AIRLINE DIVISION...not "chapter"...with over 70,000 members...who of late, have nailed down more contracts with pay increases, solid scope, benefits and other things for pilots and others than I suspect you have.
Everything you have posted is "documented?" Really? I have a dog that just ate a bowl of alphabet soup...I'm betting what comes out will have more validity and make more sense than what you've "documented" so far.
So far, your "right seat" sounds more like a window seat over the right wing...
03-02-2012, 08:04 PM
#77
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You are correct---it is all because of me. Now we can end this pointless thread once and for all. "live long commuter airlines".
03-02-2012, 08:19 PM
#78
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OK junior, apparently you were napping during storytime, so I guess we'll spell a couple of things out for you here. Scabbing occurs when a picket line is crossed...so there is a big difference. As I said before, don't use big words you don't understand...and no, just because you think you are someting you clearly are not, you don't get to invent definitions. There are thousands of us who came before you and walked the line...you clearly haven't.
Second...go out to STL and find a Teamster from Local 618 and tell them they are part of a "taxicab union." Go ahead. When they're done with your schooling, you'll find out that GoJets is part of Local 618 AND represented by the Airline Division of the Teamsters. That's the AIRLINE DIVISION...not "chapter"...with over 70,000 members...who of late, have nailed down more contracts with pay increases, solid scope, benefits and other things for pilots and others than I suspect you have.
Everything you have posted is "documented?" Really? I have a dog that just ate a bowl of alphabet soup...I'm betting what comes out will have more validity and make more sense than what you've "documented" so far.
So far, your "right seat" sounds more like a window seat over the right wing...
Second...go out to STL and find a Teamster from Local 618 and tell them they are part of a "taxicab union." Go ahead. When they're done with your schooling, you'll find out that GoJets is part of Local 618 AND represented by the Airline Division of the Teamsters. That's the AIRLINE DIVISION...not "chapter"...with over 70,000 members...who of late, have nailed down more contracts with pay increases, solid scope, benefits and other things for pilots and others than I suspect you have.
Everything you have posted is "documented?" Really? I have a dog that just ate a bowl of alphabet soup...I'm betting what comes out will have more validity and make more sense than what you've "documented" so far.
So far, your "right seat" sounds more like a window seat over the right wing...
I agree with you that Gojet never crossed a picked line, and therefore are not scabs by definition. But I think the people that helped the startup of Gojet have a scab-like mentality... And that is just as bad.
And let's just be clear about the local 618. Gojet is the only airline that is part of that AIRLINE DIVISION. So highlight that as much as you want... That union is a joke as far as representing airlines.
03-02-2012, 08:51 PM
#79
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Wow... It seems like you are trying to gain some respect here by saying you have been around for so long, but yet you come across as a total douche.
I agree with you that Gojet never crossed a picked line, and therefore are not scabs by definition. But I think the people that helped the startup of Gojet have a scab-like mentality... And that is just as bad.
And let's just be clear about the local 618. Gojet is the only airline that is part of that AIRLINE DIVISION. So highlight that as much as you want... That union is a joke as far as representing airlines.
I agree with you that Gojet never crossed a picked line, and therefore are not scabs by definition. But I think the people that helped the startup of Gojet have a scab-like mentality... And that is just as bad.
And let's just be clear about the local 618. Gojet is the only airline that is part of that AIRLINE DIVISION. So highlight that as much as you want... That union is a joke as far as representing airlines.
And for someone who is so new here...or are you???OK...so you agree that they never crossed a picket line, and therefore "are not scabs by definition." Which means they are not scabs. So quit using words you have admitted are misplaced.
GoJet is the only airline that is part of that Airline Division? And the union is a joke? Hmmm...wonder how the Atlas guys who just got a 27% pay raise...and about 18.5% pre tax profit sharing the Polar guys who got 37% pay raise would say? Must be doing something right...they're making piles of money and adding a herd of 767's to the fleet...not to mention a couple of dozen 747-8's.
Or Omni who just got a new contract with a nice raise? And Cape Air who just got a first contract (ALPA said they were not a real airline)...seems that "joke union" is negotiating contracts with pay raises and benefits with no givebacks...how's your union doing? How much did it cost to lose JetBlue?
03-02-2012, 09:39 PM
#80
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Wow...your words really sting...I'm crushed... And for someone who is so new here...or are you???
OK...so you agree that they never crossed a picket line, and therefore "are not scabs by definition." Which means they are not scabs. So quit using words you have admitted are misplaced.
GoJet is the only airline that is part of that Airline Division? And the union is a joke? Hmmm...wonder how the Atlas guys who just got a 27% pay raise...and about 18.5% pre tax profit sharing the Polar guys who got 37% pay raise would say? Must be doing something right...they're making piles of money and adding a herd of 767's to the fleet...not to mention a couple of dozen 747-8's.
Or Omni who just got a new contract with a nice raise? And Cape Air who just got a first contract (ALPA said they were not a real airline)...seems that "joke union" is negotiating contracts with pay raises and benefits with no givebacks...how's your union doing? How much did it cost to lose JetBlue?
And for someone who is so new here...or are you???OK...so you agree that they never crossed a picket line, and therefore "are not scabs by definition." Which means they are not scabs. So quit using words you have admitted are misplaced.
GoJet is the only airline that is part of that Airline Division? And the union is a joke? Hmmm...wonder how the Atlas guys who just got a 27% pay raise...and about 18.5% pre tax profit sharing the Polar guys who got 37% pay raise would say? Must be doing something right...they're making piles of money and adding a herd of 767's to the fleet...not to mention a couple of dozen 747-8's.
Or Omni who just got a new contract with a nice raise? And Cape Air who just got a first contract (ALPA said they were not a real airline)...seems that "joke union" is negotiating contracts with pay raises and benefits with no givebacks...how's your union doing? How much did it cost to lose JetBlue?
Uh, none of those airlines you mentioned are part of the same union that the gojet pilots are "represented" by.
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