jaded

Quite the contrary for me JayHub, I had a Gojets guy harass me when he saw my alter-egojet sticker on my flightcase.

Flybynight42

You kids are amusing with your silly graphics and bitter diatribes. Casual readers - don't fall for the sleight of hand that is constantly offered up by this sorry bunch. While they sport their contemptuous thoughts on this forum and judge pilots of G7 for working under an inferior contact, they conveniently forget the degree to which their contract undercut those of other regionals not too long ago.

When UAL went through their bankruptcy and sought concessions from EVERY vendor they delt with, airlines with GREAT contracts (Air Wisconsin, Atlantic Coast Airlines) were forced to renegotiate their contracts and offer a more "competitive" contract to UAL. And which regional airlines did UAL covet, due to their lower costs (a whopping 30 percent lower than Air Whiskey & ACA, according to Bain Consulting)... Mesa, Chautauqua, and Trans States.

You've been taking food off of other pilot's tables for years.

And ALL of us regional pilots continue to do so.

Quit whining. Move forward. Open your eyes to what's really going on.

JayHub

Ok. Firstly Gojet has the worst contract in the industry. Secondly are you the only one on here that doesn't know that Gojet was FORMED because TSA pilots said enough is enough and wanted to RAISE the bar.

Trans States Holdings didn't want to raise the bar so Gojet was formed. Pilots across our small industry have/had a simple choice - to either support TSA pilots in there admiral fight to get fair pay, fair contract etc. Or to side with management, and shaft TSA pilots by a) helping start Gojet or b) by making the decision to go there today.

Many TSA pilots have been furloughed in the last few months...with more scheduled. Yet Gojet is hiring. If no one applied to this alter ego airline, Management would be forced to merge the lists and save fellow pilots from the unemployment line.

You see the management team gambled and won. They knew they could find some pilots willing to screw over TSA pilots. In terms of Gojet pilots, they were right.

fly4michelle

Very well said. Some of theses guys see regional flying as a career so it is hard to convince them on some of these points. Sad-- but true.

goaround2000

I love how some of you guys can't argue with facts so you run and hide behind the all regionals are evil argument.

Here's a news flash:

The majors gave up scope voluntarily in the 90's because they were too proud to fly 50 seat regional jets, so management ran with it. They opened the door.

gojets was specifically created to undermine tsa's collective bargaining agreement, like a scab.

So according to some of you this is ok because all regionals suck, right? Well in the grand scheme of regionals there are provisions in my contract that are better than even some of the majors, it's called holding the line. Instead most gojets guys are indoctrinated into thinking below average is good because that way you can stay competitive. Get a clue! And stop trying to defend a company that was created upon the principles of scabbing.

propspin

I think the problem is you have different "facts" than others. The "facts" I believe are different from your "facts". My belief is GoJet was formed to make sure TSA complied with AA APA scope clauses. The TSA pilot contract played no role in the decision to form GoJet. The "facts" that I have heard indicated TSA pilots voted on keeping the GoJet flying in-house and turned it down by voting no. The "fact" is that there are no principles of scabbing. You either are (crossed a picket line) or your not. To the best of my knowledge the facts show no picket lines crossed at GoJet. As a 9 year captain at Air Willie you are currently in a good spot. I hope you are not put to the test in a couple of years when your agreement with US Airways comes up for renewal. The Regional buisness is very dog-eat-dog. Your likely to be in a bad spot if your costs are not competitive. Not what you want to hear but certainly a "fact". I am in the camp that says all Regionals are the same. Get your time and move on, making them a career is fraught with problems that I would rather avoid.

fly4michelle

[QUOTE=goaround2000;1144552]I love how some of you guys can't argue with facts so you run and hide behind the all regionals are evil argument.

Here's a news flash:

The majors gave up scope voluntarily in the 90's because they were too proud to fly 50 seat regional jets, so management ran with it. They opened the door.

gojets was specifically created to undermine tsa's collective bargaining agreement, like a scab.

So according to some of you this is ok because all regionals suck, right? Well in the grand scheme of regionals there are provisions in my contract that are better than even some of the majors, it's called holding the line. Instead most gojets guys are indoctrinated into thinking below average is good because that way you can stay competitive. Get a clue! And stop trying to defend a company that was created upon the principles of scabbing. (quote)


Reply:

Let's agree to disagree. I see all regionals as nothing more than a stepping stone to a "real flying job" that pays well and takes care of its people. I do not know of any regional that pays well unless you are at 10--15 year Captain pay. And even then--you are still living the regional life as far as equipment, benefits, hotels, work rules, respect in the industry, etc....

Get your time and experience and move on. You will be amazed at how much better things are on the other side and how trivial all the regional drama is to the big boys and girls.

ATCsaidDoWhat

You should do yourself a huge favor and stop using words you really don't understand the meaning of. For those of us who have been around since you were in diapers, that word carries a very powerful meaning...and you clearly haven't got the chops to understand it, let alone use it.

What I have gleaned so far from your posts...especially your childish response to Vagabond...is that you somehow have determined that unless someone is you, they are unworthy. Let me let you in on a little secret from someone who has walked picket lines for my airlines...yes, more than one...and walked them for others...

You need to let the "wet" behind your ears dry. From what I've seen so far in the attitude you've displayed, you don't have much to offer beyond keyboard heroics. I'd rather have a GoJet pilot...who is fighting for a better contract...and putting garbage from people like you...pulling gear for me anyday...than you, who apparently feels you are Orville, Wilbur, Chuck and Maverick...all rolled into one.

Piece of advice...heed the mod's "suggestion." So far you've brought nothing but snark to the discussion and your removal likely won't break any hearts....

VrV2

Bravo sir, Bravo!

AviHaters

Good luck finding one... The last few posters have made it pretty clear that they are only there to get the time and move on.. So a good contract is not in their interest.
They will take a below par contract to get flying, thinking that they can move on to something better soon.