Another drunk pilot
02-16-2012, 07:11 PM
#31
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Best post of the thread IMO. Beats the hell out of piling on the guy. Substance abuse absolutely sucks. I've been through it with more than one of my family members. It's the reason I don't drink. There's no rationalizing it, and there's no excusing it, but dogpileing one of our own just to play "holier-than-thou" is a cheap shot. I doubt anyone would be ganging up on the guy if he'd hung himself in his hotel room out of depression. Sickness is sickness. Lay off, keyboard warriors.
02-16-2012, 07:21 PM
#32
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To your other points- he will have to go through a lot of treatment and such before he can get his job back, but it still will be salvageable since he did not cross the threshold of the jet... and he will have to admit he has a problem (hence the treatment thing). All is contingent on the latter.
No treatment, no come to Jesus moment, no job.
02-16-2012, 07:30 PM
#33
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Interesting. After I posed this question to a local prosecutor, I got a strange look and was offered the scenario of "intent to commit murder" only involves the planning type of answer. You don't actually have to pull the trigger on the gun and find out that it has blanks.
As far as the van driver comment - yes - let's try and say that the van driver did something wrong or even insinuate that other van drivers are going to be getting up close and personal *just hoping* to smell alcohol. I'm sure that a pilot who got into a van with an intoxicated van driver would just turn the other cheek too or maybe we could expect every pilot to save his or her crew from the next intoxicated van driver they come across. Really?
If the facts are as they are currently being presented; there is only one person to point the finger at in this scenario.
USMCFLYR
As far as the van driver comment - yes - let's try and say that the van driver did something wrong or even insinuate that other van drivers are going to be getting up close and personal *just hoping* to smell alcohol. I'm sure that a pilot who got into a van with an intoxicated van driver would just turn the other cheek too or maybe we could expect every pilot to save his or her crew from the next intoxicated van driver they come across. Really?
If the facts are as they are currently being presented; there is only one person to point the finger at in this scenario.
USMCFLYR
The van driver just did what any other citizen would do if put in that situation- who in their right mind would let someone go endanger lives of others? Not tipping, while for whatever reason has seen increased prevalence among the regional guys (pages and pages of excuses and hoops that the van driver has jump through have been discussed ad nauseum on here), but that has nothing to do with the fact that he reported unfit.
02-16-2012, 08:20 PM
#34
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After reading this and other threads tonight, I need a drink.
02-16-2012, 08:23 PM
#35
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Best post of the thread IMO. Beats the hell out of piling on the guy. Substance abuse absolutely sucks. I've been through it with more than one of my family members. It's the reason I don't drink. There's no rationalizing it, and there's no excusing it, but dogpileing one of our own just to play "holier-than-thou" is a cheap shot. I doubt anyone would be ganging up on the guy if he'd hung himself in his hotel room out of depression. Sickness is sickness. Lay off, keyboard warriors.
02-16-2012, 10:31 PM
#36
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I wonder if the other crew members will share some of the responsibility. If the van driver noticed, then I highly doubt the others didn't. I wonder where you would draw the line especially when you like your fellow crew. Like the above poster said, we really don't need this kind of publicity. No wonder management thinks they can get away treating us however they want since a few of us behaving certain ways that gives the rest of us a bad stereotype. Most of the pilots I've met or worked with are real professionals and awesome people.
I feel bad and all for another pilot to work so hard to get here and just throw it away, but I rather see him/her in another field than to ever fly with that person or even worse be commuting in the back.
I feel bad and all for another pilot to work so hard to get here and just throw it away, but I rather see him/her in another field than to ever fly with that person or even worse be commuting in the back.
02-17-2012, 12:26 AM
#37
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Just lay off the booze when working, simple. Recently had a new hire get canned for failing a breathalyzer after a DEADHEAD random. Times have changed; everyone should be a "slam/clicker", its not worth it anymore. Save the cold suds for your time off
02-17-2012, 02:43 AM
#39
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02-17-2012, 05:25 AM
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