DASH8EE

Key word = SHOULD.

Will they? My opinion is that they are to greedy to make the required sacrifice. Besides, they have nothing left to sacrifice after they sold out. So no they wont.

Another thought. Everyone is watching this AMR BK. What happens there will set the precedence of the industry. APA has the strongest scope, for now. The scope is going to be crushed at AMR by this BK. Sad but true. When this happens it is just going to make the hope for strong scope even more bleak and impossible to have it brought bake. It sucks but this is the path we are all on.

So all you mainline guys that hate regional guys because you feel like they are taking your flying away just remember it was you that sold your flying for peanuts. I bet most of those regional guys would rather be working with you at the mainline, but you sold them out as well.

Paid2fly

Since I know most of the "people that do interviews" and have never heard your stated "facts" from any of them... how about you give me the initials of those 3 people and I'll be happy to verify those facts?

DASH8EE

Does defending SkyWest's honor really matter at this point. It is no secret. We are all in the race to the bottom. Yes, even SkyWest.

Probably even more so then ever before SkyWest is at the front of the race. SkyWest is plastered throughout the industry now. Not to bring up the past. But look at Alaska Airlines. How did SkyWest get in that door?

You can not defend SkyWest's once decent honor. Everyone in the industry knows SkyWest is the biggest loose goose out there now a days.

Paid2fly

"loose goose'?

Not defending their honor... but would prefer to deal with truthful info, not made up b/s with no basis in fact!

Bus330

This industry has multiple forces pulling at it.
1. Airlines that want to max revenue and minimize cost
2. Employees that want a livable wage to do the same job (having flown RJs and narrow bodies and heavies I feel confident in saying that in the general picture its the same job)
3. Pax that want to pay a low price

Scope will not get put back into the bottle.Sorry.
What all mainline pilots and regional pilots should do is make the cost of RJ flying go up. Same work rules -same per diem- same benefits then address the pay issue.

example-Say 10 year captain pay on the RJ should equal 10 year FO pay at the major or some such formula.There are better minds than mine that can do this formula.

RJ guys get better QOL and pay.The financial incentives for a mainline carrier to farm out flying decrease and ML pilots see the reward in more pilot hiring.

This takes a unified effort from ALPA and other unions as well as mainline and regional pilot groups. The old line-we must hang together otherwise we will surely hang separately is very apt.

All pilots in a 121 environment must be at the same level of safety.That includes duty time,meals and rest.Every airline that flies passengers must be a real airline .(a VP Flt Ops at a previous company used that line on us).
The flying public must be assured that when they buy a ticket on UCal (example only) from India to Bakersfield all the crew and all the pilots are part of the same culture of safety and oversight-and operate under the same standards

Again Scope IMHO is dead.More importantly it may not be a good business idea to have.Some cities cannot feed a A320 or 757.Asking the ML to either cancel that city pair or operate at a loss on it with bigger planes does not help anyone. Making the cost of such an operation higher will make airline mgmt less willing to send 3 RJs instead of 1 A320.

This is what National Unions and Pax groups should be fighting for IMHO.
An industry leading contract at Mainline X does no good if half of your domestic flying goes to the lowest bidder.Instead of trying to kill off the RJ or acting like its a pariah on the industry ML pilots should bring them into the fold.A certain National Pilot Union is/was very apathetic on this concept-to the detriment of all pilots.This must change.
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seafeye

Not meaning to devalue your post. It has some good points. Although Comair did a great job of bringing up the industry in a 2001 contract. 11 years later they are fighting for survival. Mainline management will do everything in their power to keep the standard low at regionals. If we today had a 2001 Comair contract, we would be facing the same fate. I wish i was wrong and that we could turn around this industry but i believe it is too far fragmented.

JamesNoBrakes

This. The whole codeshare thing is out of control, but more than that, is there REAL DEMAND for passenger travel at the levels the airlines claim? It seems like they are saying there's a HUGE DEMAND for $5000 new cars, and of course, if cars cost only $5000, I'd be getting one every year, but that's just not realistic demand. With electronic media getting better and better, I'd assume in some segments it will be a steady decline, maybe offset by the growing population, but they have to be able to afford it, there's a lot more to it than "there'll be a lot of people that want to fly". There are a lot of people that want cheap everything...doesn't mean that's a market. Regional airline's can't be something you "don't take seriously, because it's only a stepping stone", it doesn't work like that anymore, but even if it did, that kind of attitude kills safety IMO.

Bus330

No devaluation taken
And mgmt will do as you said.And Regional mgmt will be all for it too.

ML pilots need to come up to bat for the RJ drivers.

You brought up Comair and I remember a group that started as a result of that-The RJ Defense Fund-They believed that ALPA did not have the RJ drivers best interest at heart. I tend to agree with that.

But the disdain that some ML pilots have for RJs and RJ operators only serves mgmt that wants to divide and conquer. We need to approach this not as a ML or RJ issue-but as a 121 issue. An airline is an airline. An airline pilot is an airline pilot.

The above takes unity and deep pockets for the PR blitz. The war chest needs to be cracked open to do this.But I fear that those who control that war chest will fail to see the importance of it. Many of the pilots on this site will never see a WB command. Many will be on RJs for their whole career.
The pay the top the most at the expense of the junior guys is a form of trickle down economics that has not seemed to work.

But as usual I could be wrong.

gettinbumped

It's actually "too" greedy... not "to" greedy. You might want to get your grammar correct if you are going to start slinging the insults. Otherwise, you just look like an idiot. Oops.. Too late.

block30

Good posts. That is not tolerated on these forums, however. Further posts should be far more negative, trolling and / or flame baiting!