Originally Posted by OverheadBin

I'm in an almost similar situation as Omnivorous. I have 560TT/53 multi, just my initial CFI, RJ Course. I graduate in November with a BS in Aviation Technology & Management.

I had two interviews last year. I made it through all three rounds at American Eagle but wasn't selected at the end of the day. They went bankrupt anyway... I was hired at another regional last October, but the offer was rescinded two weeks ago because of HR 5900 coming next August. They said I wouldn't have enough hours. So, I'm back to square one.

If I had to pay to get my 100 multi, it would be around $13,000 to get the remaining 40hrs I need. I'm just curious if I could even get a job. That's one heck of an investment, on top of my initial training and my college education. I just want to get up and go to work. I fly when I can and update my airlinapps accordingly. Staying optimistic.

Originally Posted by wrxpilot

At SkyWest it's 5 years to upgrade on the Brasilia, and we are starting to see some attrition. About 20 people left in January alone. Since I was hired 10 months ago, I've moved up about 100 spots, and there are about 400 people below me.

I'm not one to preach about a looming pilot shortage (there won't be one), but the current time to upgrade is due to a double whammy of Age 65 and the recession. Clearly the time to upgrade is going to go down, it's just a matter of how much. Best case (IMO), it will eventually be 2-3 years to upgrade here. Sure it could be longer, but there is currently no data to support that viewpoint.

As far as doing something before the regionals, I don't understand that argument if your goal is to be at the majors. If you head off to AMF for 3 years and then over to SkyWest or somewhere else for another 3 years, I just don't see you being ahead of somebody that just went to SkyWest in the first place. This is coming from a guy that went and did a bunch of other crap before coming to SkyWest... Even though that allowed me to do some pretty interesting stuff and get a jet type, I'm still sitting right seat in a Brasilia instead of being in the left seat.

Now if your goal is to simply explore several different career paths within aviation in order to decide what you really want to do (or to simply have more options with charter/corporate), then by all means head over the AMF and get some 135 experience. That is essentially what I did, so at least the airline stink might wash off if I try to jump back to the charter/corporate world.

As far as which method is the best, nobody here knows that unless they have access to a time machine.

Originally Posted by BelowMins

Did you get 1000TPIC at your previous job? That's what the argument is. Get the 1000 then go to a regional to get the 121 glass time. When hiring begins you are almost on a level playing field with the guy sitting to your left.

Originally Posted by BelowMins

Did you get 1000TPIC at your previous job? That's what the argument is. Get the 1000 then go to a regional to get the 121 glass time. When hiring begins you are almost on a level playing field with the guy sitting to your left.

Originally Posted by wrxpilot

I know exactly what you're saying, and if your goal is to be at a major I don't agree with you. Whether you go to AMF (or wherever) first and then a place like SkyWest, or you first go to SkyWest, you will be spending about 6 years working towards a major. So either you get your 1000 TPIC in the first 3-4 years at AMF, or you go to SkyWest and get it in your last 1.5 - 2 years. You'll make more money going to SkyWest (after first year pay you will be making more every year than AMF), and as luv2rotate stated you will also have higher quality time in the eyes of most major airline hiring departments. If you don't believe me, I've looked at both AMF and SkyWest pay scales and created the following chart:



By going to AMF first, you will have lost out on over $80,000 in cumulative earnings. Plus, as Luv2Rotate suggested you will have "higher quality" time in the eyes of a Major airline hiring department.

Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate

You really think 1000hrs in a light twin or even be99 will put you at an even playing field with someone that has 1000hrs in a CRJ, ERJ or anything over 12,500lbs?

I am not trying to flame, this is a serious inquiry.

Originally Posted by RunnerMark

Thanks for taking all the time to create that graph.... which is completely subjective and full of more "what if" scenarios than Will Ferrel has created parody movies.

I respect that you took the time to do that, but seriously... trip rig, duty rig, per diem, time away from base, mx pay, cx pay, dh pay, block or better pay. Is ANY of that accounted for? You can't possibly suggest your graph is even conceivably accurate. And this is all based on assumptions!! Waste of time.

Originally Posted by BelowMins

Unless you're on the hiring board at major it's really anyone's guess. I'd rather have the TPIC and just have it behind me rather than wait on an upgrade. I have a few thousand hours of PIC none of it turbine for a reference on where I'm forming my opinion.

Originally Posted by wrxpilot

I know exactly what you're saying, and if your goal is to be at a major I don't agree with you. Whether you go to AMF (or wherever) first and then a place like SkyWest, or you first go to SkyWest, you will be spending about 6 years working towards a major. So either you get your 1000 TPIC in the first 3-4 years at AMF, or you go to SkyWest and get it in your last 1.5 - 2 years. You'll make more money going to SkyWest (after first year pay you will be making more every year than AMF), and as luv2rotate stated you will also have higher quality time in the eyes of most major airline hiring departments. If you don't believe me, I've looked at both AMF and SkyWest pay scales and created the following chart:



By going to AMF first, you will have lost out on over $80,000 in cumulative earnings. Plus, as Luv2Rotate suggested you will have "higher quality" time in the eyes of a Major airline hiring department.