Age difference in jumpseating
01-10-2012, 03:50 PM
#51
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I'm sorry you had a deal with such a tool. It seems we have more and more douches everyday at XJT.
01-10-2012, 08:34 PM
#52
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The best part came when he said his daughter, 17 years old, would take her friends out there to the campsite to "sing campfire songs and roast marshmallows, and play the guitar and just had a good ol' time!" When he said that the FO and I shared the same "That ain't what your daughter is doing out there, sir" glance.
Remember, if you are going to play with fire, protect yourself with the OveGlove.
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01-10-2012, 09:42 PM
#53
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01-11-2012, 05:17 AM
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After several hours of delay at IAD, finally departed for DTW in the middle of the night (my home). Beat into stiff headwinds with IMC at DTW. I was in the cockpit jumpseat as it was a full flight. Watched a fairly inexperienced crew get all balled up in decision making, hold over Lake Erie, run into a questionable fuel state, and turn tails all the way back to Dulles with Cleveland as a suitable MVFR alternate.
Sweated bullets all the way back over the Blue Ridge (hint) and we landed at 4am on fumes.. I never even offered "Heys guys, what about Cleveland..." And it never came up. Never again. I would never question a crew about an abort but I now will offer (inquiry, advocacy, assertion) if the safety of the flight is in question. Too many near misses out there that have avoided accidents because somebody said something.
Sweated bullets all the way back over the Blue Ridge (hint) and we landed at 4am on fumes.. I never even offered "Heys guys, what about Cleveland..." And it never came up. Never again. I would never question a crew about an abort but I now will offer (inquiry, advocacy, assertion) if the safety of the flight is in question. Too many near misses out there that have avoided accidents because somebody said something.
01-11-2012, 08:12 AM
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About 7 years ago I was flying an RJ. A middle aged UPS captain asked for a ride up front. We of course granted it. Once out on the taxiway the airport was closed for departing traffic and we were told to shut down. For another 1 hour we were beat to death with his complaining about how it was utterly insane that UPS only paid him $225,000.00 a year base pay. After listening to him for much too long I pointed to my new hire FO and said to him "do you have any idea how much she makes?" He said "no" and I told him "about $18,000 base" His response took the cake when he said "Well why would you work here?" and then went on about how expensive his kids private school was. Some guys just don't have a clue.
As a side note he was trying to brag, his base pay 7 years ago at top scale was $190 a hour. 975 hours a year =185,250. He would have needed a 22% pay raise.
01-11-2012, 08:31 AM
#56
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On a United mainline flight in cruise...
55 year old female CA: "So who do you work for?"
Me: "Air Wisconsin."
Her: "Who is that??"
"Umm... We are a regional that has flown code share and partnered with you for 26 years. We do all of your ASE flying."
"Never heard of you."
"Oh."
"I just don't get you regional people. Why would want to work there? Why don't you just apply to United?"
"Are you serious?"
"Yes. I am, why do you work there??"
"You obviously don't have a clue, I can't even respond to you. And if I did, you wouldn't listen to me anyway... wow."
First Officer mouths, "I'm sorry."
55 year old female CA: "So who do you work for?"
Me: "Air Wisconsin."
Her: "Who is that??"
"Umm... We are a regional that has flown code share and partnered with you for 26 years. We do all of your ASE flying."
"Never heard of you."
"Oh."
"I just don't get you regional people. Why would want to work there? Why don't you just apply to United?"
"Are you serious?"
"Yes. I am, why do you work there??"
"You obviously don't have a clue, I can't even respond to you. And if I did, you wouldn't listen to me anyway... wow."
First Officer mouths, "I'm sorry."
Hard to believe a UAL pilot doesnt know who Air Wisconsin is. UAL used to own Air Wisconsin.
01-11-2012, 08:43 AM
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You'd be surprised. I have had jumpseater's (FO's as well as CA's) that didn't even know what aircraft they allow to be outsourced at the regional level. Some people just show up and don't really put much thought into their job.
02-08-2012, 07:12 PM
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I had a tooth abscess on an overnight in Binghamton, NY, when I was with CommutAir a few years ago. The side of my jaw swelled up to the size of a tennis ball, and I obviously couldn't fly that next day. They just left me there. No positive space, no night in the hotel if I needed it, no nothing. Just, "OK, you're off the rest of the trip."
I had to jumpseat home, a 3-leg trip through PHL and BOS, in severe pain, looking like my face got pounded by a hockey stick. It wasn't a pretty sight.
02-08-2012, 07:50 PM
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I don't see so much of an issue with age. I've had younger guys who are just ****ed off about something and really friendly ones. The worst one I had was a Delta 737 CA asked me what I fly, after I asked him for a ride. I told him, the CRJ 200. His response was, "The one that we all hope will be gone soon?" I almost walked off the plane. I'm not saying DAL guys are bad. It was just a bad experience.
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