In uniform- pax makes a drunk pilot "joke"
#11
Is there any recourse towards the accuser? Can't make "bomb" jokes in front of TSA. Why not ask the accuser to tag along for the testing just so she is sure you're okay - maybe she'll miss her flight. Sounds like she's the one that's drunk and should be denied boarding.
#12
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Allegations can be career ending if you're operating the flight because if anything happens (God forbid), you know the media would immediately jump on the "fact" that "there were passengers in the boarding area who had concerns about the pilot's sobriety. The airline involved did not go to any length to determine the pilot's level of intoxication." All it takes is a slow news day.
For that matter, if it's slow enough of a news day, you could get an article even without an incident: "Airline takes off with allegedly drunk pilot. Passengers expressed concerns during boarding, and the only response they received from the pilot was 'don't joke around about that'."
Sure, in the long run you would probably be able to exonerate yourself, but only after being hung, drawn, and quartered in the court of public opinion.
#13
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Here's the scenario. This happened to me. What would you do?
You are eating lunch in uniform in a relatively full gate area minding your own business but with empty seats around you, when a woman says in a loud voice that is heard by many pax in the surrounding area that she is going to "sit next to this pilot and see if he is drunk!" She then proceeds to sit right next to you.
You are about to:
1. Jumpseat in the cockpit
or
2. Fly the trip that is departing from this gate
What do you for each case if you feel the reaction should be different.
I said "Ma'am, it is completely inappropriate to make jokes like that" and I walked away. (I was j/s btw)
What do you do?
Anyone got their own similar stories and resolutions?
You are eating lunch in uniform in a relatively full gate area minding your own business but with empty seats around you, when a woman says in a loud voice that is heard by many pax in the surrounding area that she is going to "sit next to this pilot and see if he is drunk!" She then proceeds to sit right next to you.
You are about to:
1. Jumpseat in the cockpit
or
2. Fly the trip that is departing from this gate
What do you for each case if you feel the reaction should be different.
I said "Ma'am, it is completely inappropriate to make jokes like that" and I walked away. (I was j/s btw)
What do you do?
Anyone got their own similar stories and resolutions?
Easy. Go take a breathalyzer test and make a PA saying that this woman acused you for being drunk and that the flight will delayed until this is resolved. Should create some entertainment for the other pax for a couple of hours while you go blow.
#14
Wow people.
1. Ignore her.
2. Ignore her.
No need to be a drama queen about it. At the most, give her the stink eye, shae your head and go back to eating. You haven't been drinking, nothing to worry about. Period.
1. Ignore her.
2. Ignore her.
No need to be a drama queen about it. At the most, give her the stink eye, shae your head and go back to eating. You haven't been drinking, nothing to worry about. Period.
#15
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I thought I remember reading an article where a passenger actually got in trouble for making a remark like that about the crew at one point? Maybe it's just wishful thinking.
If I'm jumpseating (going home) I would explain to her how inappropriate she is being right now. I would then tell her I'm going to get a law enforcement officer to come discuss this allegation with us. I would then walk away, only to come back a few minutes later and just sit somewhere else. I wouldn't ever actually get an officer. It would be just enough to get them worried.
If I'm working the flight I would actually get a LEO (stressing an actual LEO, not the badge carrying, smurf dressing, officer pretending kind) and have them make sure I'm am 100% good and get it on paper. I would then ask the LEO to explain this to her, and scare her as much as possible that she is close to being in trouble. I would then do everything in my power to deny her boarding on my flight. I don't want a passenger that is thinking I'm drunk being on my plane with the potential to cause havoc. Also, it would make me feel better knowing she is having to suffer at least a little.
If I'm jumpseating (going home) I would explain to her how inappropriate she is being right now. I would then tell her I'm going to get a law enforcement officer to come discuss this allegation with us. I would then walk away, only to come back a few minutes later and just sit somewhere else. I wouldn't ever actually get an officer. It would be just enough to get them worried.
If I'm working the flight I would actually get a LEO (stressing an actual LEO, not the badge carrying, smurf dressing, officer pretending kind) and have them make sure I'm am 100% good and get it on paper. I would then ask the LEO to explain this to her, and scare her as much as possible that she is close to being in trouble. I would then do everything in my power to deny her boarding on my flight. I don't want a passenger that is thinking I'm drunk being on my plane with the potential to cause havoc. Also, it would make me feel better knowing she is having to suffer at least a little.
#16
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But seriously, if someone called me out like that in public, I would get tested.
#18
Get tested. No question.
I've seen WAY too many news reports that are inaccurate and blown out of proportion. At least if it was blown out when I made the decision to get tested she looks like the giant a$$-clown and not me
Never know who may be sitting in/around your gate area when something like that goes down.
I've seen WAY too many news reports that are inaccurate and blown out of proportion. At least if it was blown out when I made the decision to get tested she looks like the giant a$$-clown and not me
Never know who may be sitting in/around your gate area when something like that goes down.
#19
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Position: Captain CR7/CR9
Posts: 104
Here's the scenario. This happened to me. What would you do?
You are eating lunch in uniform in a relatively full gate area minding your own business but with empty seats around you, when a woman says in a loud voice that is heard by many pax in the surrounding area that she is going to "sit next to this pilot and see if he is drunk!" She then proceeds to sit right next to you.
You are about to:
1. Jumpseat in the cockpit
or
2. Fly the trip that is departing from this gate
What do you for each case if you feel the reaction should be different.
I said "Ma'am, it is completely inappropriate to make jokes like that" and I walked away. (I was j/s btw)
What do you do?
Anyone got their own similar stories and resolutions?
You are eating lunch in uniform in a relatively full gate area minding your own business but with empty seats around you, when a woman says in a loud voice that is heard by many pax in the surrounding area that she is going to "sit next to this pilot and see if he is drunk!" She then proceeds to sit right next to you.
You are about to:
1. Jumpseat in the cockpit
or
2. Fly the trip that is departing from this gate
What do you for each case if you feel the reaction should be different.
I said "Ma'am, it is completely inappropriate to make jokes like that" and I walked away. (I was j/s btw)
What do you do?
Anyone got their own similar stories and resolutions?
I've had a passenger make a drunk remark when I was getting in the cockpit and got my pants hung on the door latch and stumbled trying to get free without ripping my pants. I turned to him and asked him to knock it off. Before I could explain why the pax around him lit into him as they apparently understood the ramifications in that if I had to be pulled from duty to test then they will likely end up with a cx or seriously delayed flight.
In this case it was a joke on his part and I continued the flight. If he had not been making fun or if he had continued past my telling him to knock it off then I would have contacted my chief and removed myself from flight status pending etoh screening.
I do not feel that an accusation can hurt you so long as you are clean. It is not the accusation but rather the positive test that screws you. That being said I would still not fly if the person was serious or if he or she would not knockout off immediately.
#20
At this point it will be too late for a test and you would pass anyway but I have a feeling it could cause you a headache or possible suspension pending investigation while it all gets sorted out. Companies do not take this kind of media coverage lightly and will take the necessary steps to ensure their flight was operated according to the rules.
My point being that it doesnt take much of a ripple to make a wave. Me personally, I will not mess around with this. If they have reason to believe I am intoxicated I will get tested to clear my name and then not allow them to fly on my flight (if I am not removed from the trip as a result of the testing delay).
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