gonyon

Vote no. I would rather put the company out of business and lose my job. I'm so sick of this crap. this war will only be won when people are brave enough to become a casualty. and to be a casualty is a real possibility.

yamahas3

Look, the thing is, lots of people are acting irrational. They act like this is a job they can just throw away and someone else will want them. Heres reality: Even if things suck, everyone working at Pinnacle is very fortunate to be there and nobody else is going to be knocking on your door if you go to the unemployment line begging you to fly their jet for them for anywhere near as good as you have it at 9E.

Silver02ex

The sad part is,if we stand up and vote no and Pinnacle shut the door, the rest of the regionals will be waiting for the flying. Most guys won't care where the new flying came from while 3,000 pilots are looking for a new job.

FlyingKat

Spoken like someone who has never really had to do this before. Trust me, when you get the letter from the attorneys advising you that you no longer have COBRA because the company liquidated in bankruptcy makes it darn tough to look your wife and your kids in the eye and wonder where your health care is going to come from. Or when you have to figure out how to pay your bills when you have to start over at a new company. I've voted against paycuts that management was claiming would save the company before, only to have it liquidate months later. Trust me it isn't a walk in the park as some would like to think it is.

As I have said before. I understand and respect why some vote no. I also understand why some are not interested in the possibility of going through the hell of a bankruptcy and possible liquidation. It is a tough decision either way. To demean anyone as "gutless" or a "coward" for voting yes is as ridiculous as criticizing those who vote no when you consider the implications of this decision.

Systemized

This is a problem that Americans in general have, not just regional pilots.

jayray2

I can't agree with this, for a lot of people this is a throw away job. It is nothing more than getting 121 time so you can put it on your resume and leave as soon as possible. Pinnacle is very fortunate that we choose to work for them at the ridiculous salary they pay us, not the other way around. It all depends on your perspective I guess. I have no doubt that the majority of pilots at Pinnacle could have a new flying job within 4 months. I realize all pay longevity would be lost but lets put things in proper perspective here, Pinnacle is not a good company, no one should feel fortunate to be working for Pinnacle. I understand in this market maybe some people might feel lucky to be steadily employed but are there people here that really feel fortunate to be employed by Pinnacle?

Please someone tell me what we are trying to save here? Unlike United and American there are no pensions, unlike United and American most of us are not here for a life long career and trying to save what is (or was in these two examples) a great company. We are just trying to save our own jobs, some of the worst in the industry? Jobs that the majority of us are trying to leave as quickly as possible? And ultimately we are going to probably get furloughed anyway and end up at the next regional that will only pay us less due to the downward pressure our 5% pay cut has exerted on the industry? No thanks.

ShyGuy

Uh, no. Because for the lifers, they are lifers. No other lifeline left other than Pinnacle corp. The whiners and upgrade chasers will just run to the next crappy operation that has (relatively) quick movement.

Pilots at other regionals don't decide where the flying comes from.

ShyGuy

Pinnacle isn't liquidating anytime soon, even with the bankruptcy this year. Not all our flying is at loss. It's the fear-grenade-tossing employees like you who scare people into voting yes to wage concessions.

FlyingKat

Shy this statement shows how ignorant you really are. If you call pointing out the negative aspects of a bankrupcy fear mongering then you really don't have any understanding of what is going on here.

Obviously you have never worked at a company that has gone through something like this or you wouldn't make such an asenine statement.

If you don't think liquidation is a possibility in bankruptcy, particulary for a company that owns very few of its own aircraft, then you are very naive. DIP financing is a challenge for carriers that have plenty of assets to use as collateral. For regional carriers like Pinnacle its even more of a challenge because the company's aircraft are largely owned by Delta. Bankruptcy is a very different process with the new laws, and creditors have more power than they used to.

FlyJSH

Ahhh, the motto of the good old Colgan management, "You are just lucky you have a job."