PinnacleFO

Over/under for furloughs? Im betting at least 500
i seriously hope not though
for those of you who thing Sean M. is beating around the bush re read the letter slowly, he is doing something hardly any ceo's would do, he is getting us ready. He basically just told us their plans in my opinion. If United and Delta dont budge, we are going to lose aprox 80 airplanes Saabs, Q's and limited jets.

shimmydamp

Where in the ALPA Merger Policy does it charge an arbitrator with ensuring that fences are applied to avoid excessive training costs for the merged airline?

shimmydamp

I agree. Not many CEO's would communicate these details to the employee group in a letter, most would let them read about it in a press release after the ship had already sailed (or sunk).

Tom a Hawk

Even if the fences were higher they would still have rediculously high training costs. the mesaba jet guys getting retrained to fly 9e, the mesaba saab guys getting re trained to fly something else, and some of the boston saab guys getting retrained to fly something else. add on that the jets for 9e were understaffed so they had to re train others anyway. if the captain fences were higher then 9e fos would upgrade and you would still have to train any FO's jumping over from the props to take their place or new hires. maybe some language does need to be fixed in the CBA so that a domicile change doesnt cause a seperate training event but training costs were going to be astronomical anyway because of the cluster that they set up in the first place, not bloch. Bloch simply used the numbers that we currently had for the fences. if pinnacle wanted them higher they should have had the staffing higher on the jet side in the first place.

gonyon

Exactly. Vote No people. there is no point in voting yes.

tom14cat14

Just a comment on the page before about why 9e 900 are loosing money but not the XJ ones. You have to remember XJ didnt get any to very little pay raises so our agreement had those cost negotiated in when the agreement was signed. The 9e 900's and 9L Q400;s where all negotiated expecting a lot lower labor costs.

Now the above is not saying we should take lower rates it was to answer a few people questions on how some can make money and not others. Delta was fine with the XJ contracts with higher labor so they will live with high 9e contracts. We just have to hope they will be willing to part willing from then money.(Like that will happen) My opinion is we are going to BK anyways so we might as well get our full pay until they force us to take a pay cut. Just like Delta and United will most likely do.

flyprdu

Only a pilot is arrogant enough to assume that the company's success is made or broken by his paycheck.

Imapilot2

Curious, what will Delta and United do?

Imapilot2

Aint that the truth.

Liv2soar

Regional jets cost between $1,750-2,00 per hour of operation. If a crew costs goes up or down 5-10 bucks it is relatively insignificant.

Forming a base in JFK and ATL where delays are rampant, and the contractual income is derived from on-time performance, costs 9E exponentially more than wage increases.