Pinnacle asking 7% from pilots
12-20-2011, 08:45 PM
#124
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 673
Update on Discussions with the Company
We recognize the difficult position our pilots face when they see a concessionary “ask” without the background data supporting the need for that request. Your local representatives, MEC officers and negotiators do not like having data we cannot share with the pilots who elected us and to whom we report.
Know that we will use due diligence, that we will verify the data prior to reaching any conclusions, and that all Pinnacle pilots will have a vote should any agreement be reached. To that end, during tonight’s MEC conference call, the MEC unanimously passed a resolution that states: “Any tentative agreement that includes concessions shall be subject to membership ratification.”
The Negotiating committee, Chairman Tom Wychor, and Vice-Chairman Jonathan Allen met with the company for the second day to present a counter-proposal to the company’s initial asks that were presented yesterday.
We began our discussions with the 5% wage concessions. We communicated our need to better understand the economics warranting this concession, and stated that our time would be better spent on the more complex Section 24 issues. We currently have ALPA’s Economic and Finance Analysis department analyzing the financial data that the company provided us. We will return to Section 3 discussions after obtaining more detailed information and analysis.
We continued the discussion by presenting ALPA’s proposal to help reduce training costs as our company faces a complex and costly integration. We discussed potential solutions for saving on training costs through adjustments in our Section 24 language, which we will explain in detail should our negotiations produce a tentative agreement. We also contemplated the possibility of altering the 11-09 award, but changes will be limited by the need to conduct the training necessary to eliminate the Mesaba Saabs and build up the crew complement in previously understaffed positions.
Many of you are concerned about the possibility of negotiating concessions to our current agreement now, only to enter bankruptcy in the near future. The MEC and the Negotiating committee shares your concerns and is taking steps to allow for proactive engagement to avoid bankruptcy, while protecting our position should the company file. The Negotiating committee is scheduled to meet with the company tomorrow at 1:00 CST. We will promptly communicate to you any updates that result from tomorrow’s meeting.
We recognize the difficult position our pilots face when they see a concessionary “ask” without the background data supporting the need for that request. Your local representatives, MEC officers and negotiators do not like having data we cannot share with the pilots who elected us and to whom we report.
Know that we will use due diligence, that we will verify the data prior to reaching any conclusions, and that all Pinnacle pilots will have a vote should any agreement be reached. To that end, during tonight’s MEC conference call, the MEC unanimously passed a resolution that states: “Any tentative agreement that includes concessions shall be subject to membership ratification.”
The Negotiating committee, Chairman Tom Wychor, and Vice-Chairman Jonathan Allen met with the company for the second day to present a counter-proposal to the company’s initial asks that were presented yesterday.
We began our discussions with the 5% wage concessions. We communicated our need to better understand the economics warranting this concession, and stated that our time would be better spent on the more complex Section 24 issues. We currently have ALPA’s Economic and Finance Analysis department analyzing the financial data that the company provided us. We will return to Section 3 discussions after obtaining more detailed information and analysis.
We continued the discussion by presenting ALPA’s proposal to help reduce training costs as our company faces a complex and costly integration. We discussed potential solutions for saving on training costs through adjustments in our Section 24 language, which we will explain in detail should our negotiations produce a tentative agreement. We also contemplated the possibility of altering the 11-09 award, but changes will be limited by the need to conduct the training necessary to eliminate the Mesaba Saabs and build up the crew complement in previously understaffed positions.
Many of you are concerned about the possibility of negotiating concessions to our current agreement now, only to enter bankruptcy in the near future. The MEC and the Negotiating committee shares your concerns and is taking steps to allow for proactive engagement to avoid bankruptcy, while protecting our position should the company file. The Negotiating committee is scheduled to meet with the company tomorrow at 1:00 CST. We will promptly communicate to you any updates that result from tomorrow’s meeting.
12-21-2011, 01:00 AM
#126
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Bermuda Triangle
Posts: 66
So why is the first priority cutting pilots pay???
Why not first look at the hundreds of new hires still in a hotel going on 9 months now and collecting 24/7 per diem??? What about all the other rediculus items that are truly wasteful spending....?!
Makes me want to lock up the brakes....just saying.
6 more hours and the FAA will release the new flight time and duty regulations at 10:00am. That should mix well with this phoney baloney mess.
Why not first look at the hundreds of new hires still in a hotel going on 9 months now and collecting 24/7 per diem??? What about all the other rediculus items that are truly wasteful spending....?!
Makes me want to lock up the brakes....just saying.
6 more hours and the FAA will release the new flight time and duty regulations at 10:00am. That should mix well with this phoney baloney mess.
12-21-2011, 02:11 AM
#127
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
This is not being sent to the pilot group.
This is straight from the communication that was sent out tonight. Pilots will vote.
12-21-2011, 03:41 AM
#128
You scratched my anchor
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,948
12-21-2011, 04:33 AM
#129
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: CL-65 captain
Posts: 2,244
Know that we will use due diligence, that we will verify the data prior to reaching any conclusions, and that all Pinnacle pilots will have a vote should any agreement be reached. To that end, during tonight’s MEC conference call, the MEC unanimously passed a resolution that states: “Any tentative agreement that includes concessions shall be subject to membership ratification.”
It doesnt matter what we want, due to the quick timeline, the line pilots will not be voting. Our union leadership will be casting the vote for this one. If they vote no, we are all on the same page. But what if they vote yes? If that happens our paycut will be effective Jan 1st. And with medical insurance premiums much higher than last year, most of us will learn less than this year.
Of course shy will not be on this thread for a week and respond. He does that whenever proven wrong and hopes it will blow over....
12-21-2011, 04:46 AM
#130
On Reserve
Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 19
I really think all pilots at all stages of their career need to consider what they will put up with. I have a secondary career in which I am currently employed. This is not nearly as fun as flying jets, but I like eating steaks, not ramen noodles. I just know a man has to stand up for himself, never depend on management or some socialist union to do your bidding for you.
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