boiler07

This was posted on the lounge earlier tonight:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...10122011-1.pdf

embraer

All the more reason to vote NO on the current TA.

3GreenKSNA

On the top of Page 3:

" The supply of pilots in the US is already tight due to a number of factors...reduced attractiveness of the commercial pilot profession"

Mr. Garton admits it himself that people are not interested in becoming pilots anymore.

Perhaps if the starting pay at a regional was better then the starting full time pay at BestBuy people would be more interested in becoming pilots.

I wish the public had any idea of how little regional FO's are paid.

Where is the mighty ALPA? Do they not want to upset mainline because of increased costs by demanding industry wide livable starting wages? This is not a problem at a single carrier, all companies are guilty of this.

cubbies4life

Replace this paragraph with...

The supply of qualified pilots in the U.S. is already tight due to incredibly horrible pay.

Wingtips

This is such an off the wall response to this lol.

If anything I would vote yes, since the industry average on pilot pay at the regional level should be expected to increase due to supply/demand, thus Eagle pilots would make out well off this TA, sort of like the 18 year contract.

If you need a lesson from a book, take a look at the TSA pilots rejecting the proposal about 5 or 6 years ago, thus Gojet.

Wingtips

That and gas increasing by 400% in the last ten years. Be a commercial pilot for 15,000 (1999)the price a truck driver pays to get all the fancy ratings to drive big heavy stuff, compared to now $60,000 and that's low balling, $80,000 is more realistic, and a COMPLETE lack of any sort of entry level jobs to bridge you to a regional.......hmmm that might play a role too, but hey blame it on the horrible commuter pay, which blows commuter pay out of the water compared to 10 years ago, and is ten times easier to get hired at.

cubbies4life

the 9th page is just laughable.

RJSAviator76

How many times does it have to be said? IT IS THE SIGNIFICANT UNATTRACTIVENESS OF AIRLINE PILOT COMPENSATION IN THE UNITED STATES THAT IS THE PROBLEM - NOT THE PROFESSION ITSELF!!!

I can't think of another country, let alone a well-developed country where airline pilots qualify for public assistance.

There is a very simple fix to this, yet they don't want to come to terms with it. Offer real wages - for starters, what your 1st year captain makes is what you should really be paying your new FO's. What your current top captain makes is where you should start with captains. If you want, leave the wages flat for a while... no need to have massive disparities based on length of service.

If an airline can't afford it, well... they can start by cutting the trim off the fat of the management. After all, they need to share the sacrifice to assure the profitability and sustainability of the airline. It's funny how they can survive the fuel cost going through the roof over the past 4 years, and supposedly they cannot survive if they'd have to pay a "globally competitive" wage? I truly doubt that.

Wingtips

What is also laughable is imagine being hired at a regional early next year, and then them not being able to hire, esp with 2000 new pilots coming into their pipeline per year, and a need for 7000 going out the top. Please enlighten to me how you plan to have the required bodies come in under you to allow you to move up and on, esp. with the new 1500/hr rule?

cubbies4life

the % of flying done by commuters has greatly increased over the last 10 years also.