Garton (AE) on the 1500hr NPRM
11-07-2011, 04:41 PM
#11
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Well it is a double edge sword, you can't cut out steps 2/3/4 and go from 1 to 5, and then expect to get step 6 in the same length of time as before, somewhere you need to makeup that lost time. You want to get hired at a regional at 22 with 2 years of CFIing, well don't expect to upgrade in 2 years and be at a major after 5. You traded the 5 years of turbo prop hell with boxes all night, for 5 more years at the commuter, in the end you break even.
11-07-2011, 05:26 PM
#12
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"short call reserve does not count towards duty...", because staffing planes with exhausted pilots has worked so well. ::sarcasm::
I don't see how how this would change staffing, when most pilots would just fatigue out anyway. No matter what the rule says.
It's scary to think these people are in charge of our country. They are absolutely clueless.
I don't see how how this would change staffing, when most pilots would just fatigue out anyway. No matter what the rule says.
It's scary to think these people are in charge of our country. They are absolutely clueless.
11-07-2011, 05:45 PM
#13
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This is such an off the wall response to this lol.
If anything I would vote yes, since the industry average on pilot pay at the regional level should be expected to increase due to supply/demand, thus Eagle pilots would make out well off this TA, sort of like the 18 year contract.
If you need a lesson from a book, take a look at the TSA pilots rejecting the proposal about 5 or 6 years ago, thus Gojet.
If anything I would vote yes, since the industry average on pilot pay at the regional level should be expected to increase due to supply/demand, thus Eagle pilots would make out well off this TA, sort of like the 18 year contract.
If you need a lesson from a book, take a look at the TSA pilots rejecting the proposal about 5 or 6 years ago, thus Gojet.
in order for this pos 16 year contract to have been any good required 911 to happen. I am glad to see some one happy that a tragedy 911 made the pilots at AE stupid mistake bearable.
any pilot group that stands up to management is worth the weight in gold, unlike you and your cohorts at AE and the MEC that have and are willing to sell a POS TA that has loop holes in it to drive a truck through. Everything in the TA has a back door for mgt to walk away from, but you as I sated earlier are ignorant and cannot read and understand the 15 page TA.
But this is America and freedom of speech prevails even for the ignorant.
11-07-2011, 05:53 PM
#14
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you know, you do show how ignorant you are of facts. First it was 16 year contract not 18 years. Although 16 was and is bad enough.
in order for this pos 16 year contract to have been any good required 911 to happen. I am glad to see some one happy that a tragedy 911 made the pilots at AE stupid mistake bearable.
any pilot group that stands up to management is worth the weight in gold, unlike you and your cohorts at AE and the MEC that have and are willing to sell a POS TA that has loop holes in it to drive a truck through. Everything in the TA has a back door for mgt to walk away from, but you as I sated earlier are ignorant and cannot read and understand the 15 page TA.
But this is America and freedom of speech prevails even for the ignorant.
in order for this pos 16 year contract to have been any good required 911 to happen. I am glad to see some one happy that a tragedy 911 made the pilots at AE stupid mistake bearable.
any pilot group that stands up to management is worth the weight in gold, unlike you and your cohorts at AE and the MEC that have and are willing to sell a POS TA that has loop holes in it to drive a truck through. Everything in the TA has a back door for mgt to walk away from, but you as I sated earlier are ignorant and cannot read and understand the 15 page TA.
But this is America and freedom of speech prevails even for the ignorant.
11-07-2011, 05:54 PM
#15
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Posts: 545
you know, you do show how ignorant you are of facts. First it was 16 year contract not 18 years. Although 16 was and is bad enough.
in order for this pos 16 year contract to have been any good required 911 to happen. I am glad to see some one happy that a tragedy 911 made the pilots at AE stupid mistake bearable.
any pilot group that stands up to management is worth the weight in gold, unlike you and your cohorts at AE and the MEC that have and are willing to sell a POS TA that has loop holes in it to drive a truck through. Everything in the TA has a back door for mgt to walk away from, but you as I sated earlier are ignorant and cannot read and understand the 15 page TA.
But this is America and freedom of speech prevails even for the ignorant.
in order for this pos 16 year contract to have been any good required 911 to happen. I am glad to see some one happy that a tragedy 911 made the pilots at AE stupid mistake bearable.
any pilot group that stands up to management is worth the weight in gold, unlike you and your cohorts at AE and the MEC that have and are willing to sell a POS TA that has loop holes in it to drive a truck through. Everything in the TA has a back door for mgt to walk away from, but you as I sated earlier are ignorant and cannot read and understand the 15 page TA.
But this is America and freedom of speech prevails even for the ignorant.
11-07-2011, 06:03 PM
#17
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Posts: 820
When did I say I support it, for one i doubt either one of us can even vote on it, second I am not sure how I will vote. I am not drinking the crew room soapbox koolade of voting no, but I want to make sure we all might still have jobs in a few years before I vote no.
11-07-2011, 06:11 PM
#18
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One thing I know is that we can stand behind our pay, maybe even expect more, but if over the next 5-10 years we shrink by 50%, the only people who make out well are the top 25% of the company, who remain captains at their current pay plus more. Every FO will be gone, and every Captain who is the bottom half of current Captains will be FO. I know one thing for sure, I will not vote in favor of this situation! This helps a handful, that honestly are the biggest strain on the company economic pilot system.
11-07-2011, 06:13 PM
#19
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Position: FO
Posts: 424
I am voting no to the TA based on the information provided right now. The main issue I see is that our union doesn't even understand the implications of this TA and they are pushing it on us. That gives me some seriously bad vibes
11-07-2011, 06:28 PM
#20
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My cohorts in the MEC? I do not even know someone in the union. I am not even sure how I will vote. Do not assume much, I am just giving you my view as an AMERICAN. This crummy job market is NOT just pilots, I am doing much better right now than everyone I went to college with, and I went to a GOOD college, and it is NOT an aviation school. Most are at home with mom/dad doing crum jobs that have nothing to do with their majors.
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